Sign Petition for Obama to show his Real birth cirtificate

[Mark B. Morrow]

After checking online, Portman was the only one to resign from Congress. The other two were defeated in their reelection attempts before taking positions within Bush's cabinet.

 

 

My reading of the provision at issue it doesn't matter if they resign, retire or fail to be re-elected. The only issue is whether there was an increase in the salary of the office during the time they served. I do not know if the salaries of AG, Sec of Energy or U.S Trade Rep. were increased while Ashcroft, Abraham or Portman were members of the Senate or House. I suspect that they were since government salaries were regularly increased during the 1990s.

 

I'm sure that there have been other members of Congress who have gone on to executive branch appointments in other administrations, so this must have come up before.

 

It is interesting that some right wingers who didn't give a damn about Constitutional provisions like warrantless wiretapping, and unlimited detention without trial, torture, etc. are suddenly so interested in defending the Constitution.

[NickF1011]

So checks and balances are not a good idea unless it is for staggering issues...or what you consider to be staggering? I don't understand?

 

The Whole purpose of the media is to report what the govt. does wrong so that we as people keep up with it and on top of it. It is not based upon some personal threshold level and what not.

 

Peace and Blessings

 

That issue of whether or not it is illegal is not my sticking point here. It's the fact that it is being brought up as some sort of "evidence" of a crooked administration, when it is likely every other administration has done the exact same thing. It just looks desperate to me. I didn't vote for Obama. Don't think I'm trying to defend him. I'm trying to defend those of us who are opposed to Obama without having to grasp at straws of ridiculousness in an attempt to make him look bad. All it does is make his opposition look bad. He comes out the winner in the arena of public opinion. Get it?

[macattak1]

That issue of whether or not it is illegal is not my sticking point here. It's the fact that it is being brought up as some sort of "evidence" of a crooked administration, when it is likely every other administration has done the exact same thing. It just looks desperate to me. I didn't vote for Obama. Don't think I'm trying to defend him. I'm trying to defend those of us who are opposed to Obama without having to grasp at straws of ridiculousness in an attempt to make him look bad. All it does is make his opposition look bad. He comes out the winner in the arena of public opinion. Get it?

 

I can agree with that. And I can see Obama waiting till it gets to the boiling point regarding his Birth Certificate. And doing so just to make his opponents look sad. But then he would be playing a big game.

 

I personally think it is silly that we sit here and talk about it when it could have been cleared up with a Real Birth Certificate within 24 hours.

 

Peace and Blessings

[NickF1011]

I can agree with that. And I can see Obama waiting till it gets to the boiling point regarding his Birth Certificate. And doing so just to make his opponents look sad. But then he would be playing a big game.

 

I personally think it is silly that we sit here and talk about it when it could have been cleared up with a Real Birth Certificate within 24 hours.

 

Peace and Blessings

 

I doubt the birth certificate thing is ever going to gain enough momentum that he will ever even have to address it. To keep bringing it up is just lame in my opinion.

[sprinter]

It is interesting that some right wingers who didn't give a damn about Constitutional provisions like warrantless wiretapping, and unlimited detention without trial, torture, etc. are suddenly so interested in defending the Constitution.

 

 

I care greatly about these violations too. And I am very concerned about Bush's deployment of 20,000+ troops for domestic civil purposes within the US.

 

Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

 

— Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 1385

 

Now ask yourself, just what do they think is going to happen? And if this huge catastrophe happens before the inauguration, Bush could basically become a dictator in all regards. His score for supporting the Constitution has not been good. What will come to pass during a real event?

 

 

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20...0070509-12.html

 

(e) "Enduring Constitutional Government," or "ECG," means a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Federal Government, coordinated by the President, as a matter of comity with respect to the legislative and judicial branches and with proper respect for the constitutional separation of powers among the branches, to preserve the constitutional framework under which the Nation is governed and the capability of all three branches of government to execute constitutional responsibilities and provide for orderly succession, appropriate transition of leadership, and interoperability and support of the National Essential Functions during a catastrophic emergency;

 

Getting back to the original post about BO. After seeing this

 

I can quote the rock group, The Monkeys, "IM A BELIEVER"

[sprinter]

I found a few interesting laws from the State of Hawaii

 

 

Procedure for obtaining birth certificates while born out of state

 

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrs2006/Vol0...8-0017_0008.HTM

 

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

 

(B) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

 

© The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]

 

 

Any person having knowledge? So lets say maybe the grand parents could file for the certificate while Obama and parents were in Kenya?

 

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/V...S_0338-0006.htm

 

338-6 Local agent to prepare birth certificate. (a) If neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as provided in section 338-5 is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local agent of the department of health shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.

 

(B) The department shall prescribe the time within which a supplementary report furnishing information omitted on the original certificate may be returned for the purpose of completing the certificate. Certificates of birth completed by a supplementary report shall not be considered as “delayed” or “altered.” [L 1949, c 327, §10; RL 1955, §57-9; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-6]

 

Hawaii seems to be extremely liberal about handing out birth certificates, even to a foreign born adoptive.

 

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/V...8-0020_0005.htm

 

§338-20.5 Adoption; foreign born persons. (a) The department of health shall establish a Hawaii certificate of birth for a person born in a foreign country and for whom a final decree of adoption has been entered in a court of competent jurisdiction in Hawaii, when it receives the following:

 

(1) A properly certified copy of the adoption decree, or certified abstract thereof on a form approved by the department; and

 

(2) A copy of any investigatory report and recommendation which may have been prepared by the director of social services; and

 

(3) A report on a form to be approved by the department of health setting forth the following:

 

(A) Date of assumption of custody;

 

(B) Sex;

 

© Color or race;

 

(D) Approximate age of child;

 

(E) Name and address of the person or persons adopting said child;

 

(F) Name given to child by adoptive parent or parents;

 

(G) True or probable country of birth.

 

The true or probable country of birth shall be known as the place of birth, and the date of birth shall be determined by approximation. This report shall constitute an original certificate of birth; and

 

(4) A request that a new certificate of birth be established.

 

(B) After preparation of the new certificate of birth in the new name of the adopted person, the department of health shall seal and file the certified copy of the adoptive decree, the investigatory report and recommendation of the director of human services if any, the report constituting the original certificate of birth, and the request for a new certificate of birth. The sealed documents may be opened by the department only by an order of a court of record or when requested in accordance with section 578-14.5 or 578-15. The new certificate of birth shall show the true or probable foreign country of birth, and that the certificate is not evidence of United States citizenship for the child for whom it is issued or for the adoptive parents. [L 1979, c 203, §3; am L 1990, c 338, §3]

[Mark B. Morrow]

I found a few interesting laws from the State of Hawaii

 

 

Procedure for obtaining birth certificates while born out of state

 

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrs2006/Vol0...8-0017_0008.HTM

 

 

 

 

Any person having knowledge? So lets say maybe the grand parents could file for the certificate while Obama and parents were in Kenya?

 

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/V...S_0338-0006.htm

 

 

 

Hawaii seems to be extremely liberal about handing out birth certificates, even to a foreign born adoptive.

 

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/V...8-0020_0005.htm

 

If it had been a certificate for an out of state birth, the Place of birth would not have been listed as Honolulu. And why would they have gone to all this subterfuge? So he could run for President? It is unlikely that anyone would have thought that was possible in 1961.

Edited December 3, 2008 by Mark B. Morrow

[macattak1]

I doubt the birth certificate thing is ever going to gain enough momentum that he will ever even have to address it. To keep bringing it up is just lame in my opinion.

 

 

Lame because you think we don't have a right to know if we want to know?

Lame because you think he should not have to show it?

Lame because he will not show it and so why keep asking for it?

 

Lame how? Thanks.

 

Peace and Blessings

[macattak1]

"During the heated Democratic primary, Obama complained of the Bush White House being “one of the most secretive administrations in our history” and chided Sen. Hillary Clinton for not releasing her White House schedules.

 

Ironically, Obama, just days away from possibly being elected president, continues to stonewall a growing chorus of information requests for documents about his legislative, personal health, education, financing, and background — leaving many voters to cast ballots based on incomplete information."

 

http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008/10/ob...s-still-hidden/

 

I just think it is amazing how people flocked to Obama and his vague and nebulous promises. I am not all that thrilled with Bush. But what has Obama ever done to ellicite such adoration?

 

I also like how the NY Times hacks on McCain.

 

“No presidential candidate should get to the point that he has locked up his party’s nomination without public vetting of his health.”

–New York Times, on John McCain in May 4 2008 “Missing Records”

 

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_s.../22/143157.html

 

"Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign says his campaign will bring a new level of honesty and transparency to the White House. Obama proudly touts that he and Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla, passed a law requiring more transparency via a public database of all federal spending. "

 

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_s.../22/143157.html

 

"Jim Geraghty of the National Review has written extensively about Obama’s unwillingness to release records related to clients he represented while he was an attorney with the Chicago law firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill, and Gallard. Obama was required to list his clients during his years in the Illinois senate. “Obama listed every client of the firm,” Geraghty reported, making it impossible to discern which clients he represented."

 

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/p...bama08.com/CS9D

 

"After the most secretive administration in memory, an administration that consistently misled the American people, we need a president who is going to be open and forthright," Obama said. "I think last night's debate really exposed this fault line. Senator Clinton left us wondering where she stood on every single hard question from Iran to Social Security to drivers' licenses for undocumented workers."

 

Obama said he was especially concerned by Clinton's response when asked if she would release her papers from her years as first lady.

 

"Her big answer on whether she would release the papers from her White House years was particularly troubling because she is running on her record as first lady as much as on her record as a senator," he said. "How can people fully judge that record if the documents from those years remain locked away?"

 

Too funny!

Should change that to Too Sad!

 

Peace and Blessings

Edited December 3, 2008 by macattak1

[suv_guy_19]

Quit trying to create a constitutional crisis. You don't want one. Trust me.

[sprinter]

Quit trying to create a constitutional crisis. You don't want one. Trust me.

 

I want all the ba$tards thrown out and real leaders put into place that will help restore this country.

 

 

 

If it had been a certificate for an out of state birth, the Place of birth would not have been listed as Honolulu. And why would they have gone to all this subterfuge? So he could run for President? It is unlikely that anyone would have thought that was possible in 1961.

 

 

I see it as being very possible that Obama was born in Kenya with the grand parents registering his birth in Hawaii, totally within the limits of the law. Given the choice under the same circumstances, would you want your daughter's child registered as being born in the United States or some foreign country? Even the ignorant illegal Mexicans in this country know the correct answer to that question.

 

Section 338-17.8 has no restriction concerning a place of birth listing. That applies to section 338-20.5 regarding adopted children.

[NickF1011]

Lame because you think we don't have a right to know if we want to know?

Lame because you think he should not have to show it?

Lame because he will not show it and so why keep asking for it?

 

Lame how? Thanks.

 

Peace and Blessings

 

Lame because it has already been vetted by the media and no one seems to give a crap about it except people who are desperate to smear Obama. That's how it's lame. I mean geesh, it looks absolutely ridiculous to me, someone who voted against Obama in the election. Imagine how ridiculous and desperate you look to those who voted for him.

Edited December 3, 2008 by NickF1011

[macattak1]

Lame because it has already been vetted by the media and no one seems to give a crap about it except people who are desperate to smear Obama. That's how it's lame. I mean geesh, it looks absolutely ridiculous to me, someone who voted against Obama in the election. Imagine how ridiculous and desperate you look to those who voted for him.

 

Few do seem to care that is for sure.

 

And I don't care because I simply want to smear him. I want him out if he is not eligible.

If all is good then I am fine with it. He does not have to supply his other docs that he did not. He can be as secritive and stuff as he wants. None of that precludes him from the white house. But what does is a valid Birth Certificate. I would like to see it.

 

If I look ridiculous to others so be it. Since I am not that far out in asking to see a valid BC for the most important job in the world I figure it is the others that look a little silly to me not wanting to truly know.

 

Peace and Blessings

[zipnzap]

It appears that Obama is trashing the constitution in more ways than one

 

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=...mp;pageId=82374

 

You're quoting news from World Net Daily?

[NickF1011]

Few do seem to care that is for sure.

 

And I don't care because I simply want to smear him. I want him out if he is not eligible.

If all is good then I am fine with it. He does not have to supply his other docs that he did not. He can be as secritive and stuff as he wants. None of that precludes him from the white house. But what does is a valid Birth Certificate. I would like to see it.

 

If I look ridiculous to others so be it. Since I am not that far out in asking to see a valid BC for the most important job in the world I figure it is the others that look a little silly to me not wanting to truly know.

 

Peace and Blessings

 

The state of Hawaii has already said he was born there. What more do you want? Obama isn't going to waste his time with this slanderous BS. I wouldn't expect him to either. And while YOU might not care what people think of this joke, I do. It makes level-headed, non-hating people like me look bad to the rest of the public, and it groups me in with the "sore loser" bunch. It's a dead-end. Move on.

Edited December 3, 2008 by NickF1011

[sprinter]

The state of Hawaii has already said he was born there. What more do you want?

 

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! The state's Department of Health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

 

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.

http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/deta...on&psp=news

 

No where in the statement did they say "he was born here". As I have been saying, with the laws in Hawaii, Obama could have a Certification Of Live Birth from Hawaii while actually being born in Kenya. This would not make him a natural born citizen.

 

Nick, if you think this is hurting your character, quit responding to thread.

[NickF1011]

Nick, if you think this is hurting your character, quit responding to thread.

 

I'm going to do just that. Let everyone else laugh at you. I'm done.

[stephenhawkings]

i didnt read all the posts, but get over it a half black man who was born in hawaii is going to be president, not some old white dude born in panama, but dont worry he'll do most of the smae crap as democrats are both so vanila and chocolate, that its gotten to be not much of a choice especially after you have been to 31 flavors or had ben n jerry's

 

and i dont htink hes goign to post his birth certificate on blue oval news, unless maybe you do it first!

[napfirst]

It's lost

[macattak1]

You're quoting news from World Net Daily?

 

Is there a concern with WND news?

 

Peace and Blessings

[macattak1]

The state of Hawaii has already said he was born there. What more do you want? Obama isn't going to waste his time with this slanderous BS. I wouldn't expect him to either. And while YOU might not care what people think of this joke, I do. It makes level-headed, non-hating people like me look bad to the rest of the public, and it groups me in with the "sore loser" bunch. It's a dead-end. Move on.

 

Hehehe LOL that is so funny.

 

Level-headed, non-hating people like you. Really. That slayed me.

 

The state of Hawaii did no such thing. In fact it sounds like they are very careful of what they say because if they are wrong it would be because they are lieing and that would be a huge no no for a public official...

 

But really. I am sorry that your amazing reputation is being besmirched by some of us lower dwelling losers.

 

Peace and Blessings

[Mark B. Morrow]

Is there a concern with WND news?

 

Peace and Blessings

 

 

It is the conservative version of DailyKos. That is neither good or bad but it is defintely not an objective source.

Edited December 3, 2008 by Mark B. Morrow

[NickF1011]

But really. I am sorry that your amazing reputation is being besmirched by some of us lower dwelling losers.

 

Peace and Blessings

 

Apology accepted. :yup:

[Mark B. Morrow]

Hehehe LOL that is so funny.

 

Level-headed, non-hating people like you. Really. That slayed me.

 

The state of Hawaii did no such thing. In fact it sounds like they are very careful of what they say because if they are wrong it would be because they are lieing and that would be a huge no no for a public official...

 

But really. I am sorry that your amazing reputation is being besmirched by some of us lower dwelling losers.

 

Peace and Blessings

 

 

The State of Hawaii listed Obama's place of birth as Honolulu on the certificate they issued. Why would you think that any other place would be listed on other documents they have on file?

 

Look at the "Short Certificate". It is the State of Hawaii's verification of the information in their official records.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

See Place of Birth: Honolulu.

 

If he was born in Kenya that would be listed as the place of birth under Hawaiian law (see Sprinter's post above). Hawaii says he was born there.

Edited December 3, 2008 by Mark B. Morrow

[macattak1]

Apology accepted. :yup:

 

Excellent! :happy feet:

 

Peace and Blessings