cecilmeyer Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 5 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: I never said it was perfect. As long as you have selfish, rich people running things anyone who isn't rich is going to get fucked. Are there any rich people that are not selfish? I have never come across one yet. I had a mall business and guess who tried to rip me off every time??? The ones with the biggest houses and most expensive cars in their garages. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cecilmeyer Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 On 7/17/2019 at 3:08 PM, fmco76 said: Chassisgroupleade, I haven’t seen or heard a Democratic candidate running for office. I have heard and seen socialist and communist candidates running. I read your comment that you would be happy with just a nice signing bonus for this contract. All I can say, is thank God we had real and committed members years ago who thought about doing what is best for the future not just for today. Thank you retirees who weren’t selfish and only thought about today. I was told when I first started with Ford that if you do not have at least one million dollars in assets by the time you get your 30 years in, you have squandered your money. That was before all the signing bonuses and extravagant profit sharing bonuses.All those signing bonus and profit sharing checks are nice, but what would the members have today if they would have gotten a 3% raise and Life Income Benefits increases every three years? I would like to know how anyone could save a million dollars raising a family,putting children through college, enduring layoffs,plants closings,illness ,concessions ,etc? What live in a shack or have help from Mommy and Daddy? Lets see if you could manage to save 200k over 30 years enduring the things I have stated then you are working in the wrong industry. You should be on wall street with the rest of the financial wizards that caused our economy to meltdown. And for the record I hired in over 30 years ago and many of those years I made about $700 a week before taxes ,not including the weeks I spent on subpay which is at least $100 less. Please expand on how one turns that into a million dollars. Are you talking about a million in assets like a house? You mean like my first house that I bought for 85k sold 12 years later for 150k.Then 10 years after that still the same 150k because of the housing collapse? And just who is this "commie" you are talking about? Not one candidate claims to be a communist. Who Bernie Sanders? You know that dirty commie who thinks healthcare,decent wages,college and and end to senseless wars owed to all people? That is right I said OWED to fellow human beings. Humans have a right to things like water the kind of things companies want to privatize.Maybe hopefully Ill live to see the day when the rich no longer exist. They do nothing but take from the people that actually do all the work. My God what would happen if all the greedy rich pricks in the world vanished????? NOTHING the world would continue on with a lot less misery. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ididntdoit Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, cecilmeyer said: I would like to know how anyone could save a million dollars raising a family,putting children through college, enduring layoffs,plants closings,illness ,concessions ,etc? What live in a shack or have help from Mommy and Daddy? Lets see if you could manage to save 200k over 30 years enduring the things I have stated then you are working in the wrong industry. You should be on wall street with the rest of the financial wizards that caused our economy to meltdown. And for the record I hired in over 30 years ago and many of those years I made about $700 a week before taxes ,not including the weeks I spent on subpay which is at least $100 less. Please expand on how one turns that into a million dollars. Are you talking about a million in assets like a house? You mean like my first house that I bought for 85k sold 12 years later for 150k.Then 10 years after that still the same 150k because of the housing collapse? And just who is this "commie" you are talking about? Not one candidate claims to be a communist. Who Bernie Sanders? You know that dirty commie who thinks healthcare,decent wages,college and and end to senseless wars owed to all people? That is right I said OWED to fellow human beings. Humans have a right to things like water the kind of things companies want to privatize.Maybe hopefully Ill live to see the day when the rich no longer exist. They do nothing but take from the people that actually do all the work. My God what would happen if all the greedy rich pricks in the world vanished????? NOTHING the world would continue on with a lot less misery. I know this answer, you get elected in the UAW scam weasel and other naughty things to get to IUAW then you embrace those "gifts" off the record, and carelessly spend strike fund money on maybe a cabin by a lake or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmco76 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Just by reading what you wrote tells me your a victim of your own ignorance. You have to work for what you want and have the knowledge and discipline on how to manage your money. Why do you think you are owed anything? There is nothing free in this world. Did the govt. take care of citizens prior to the last 50 yrs? By the way, I have only been a hourly person my entire Ford career. Laid off for 4 straight yrs. I wasn’t mechanically inclined to be in skilled trades. I can only say that God has blessed me more than I ever dreamed. Always remember, You have to give to receive!! One other thing, when you see an old retiree, thank them for all they sacrificed, so you were able to receive the sub pay, short work week benefits, and all the other benefits you enjoy. You my friend, having only 27 yrs. have not sacrificed anything. You have not walk a picket line or lived off the strike fund. Do you think the old timers would have allowed a two tier pay system? Are you one of those who says “I would be happy with a nice signing bonus?” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark270 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 On 7/16/2019 at 9:10 PM, fuzzymoomoo said: You get a Democrat elected president and the sheep in congress will do whatever he wants not if congress is republican, they wont. gridlock is better . look at history, did republican do whatever obama wanted? NOPE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark270 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 12 hours ago, cecilmeyer said: I am ready to try "far left" .The far right is killing our nation and bankrupting the working class with their "Socialism" for the rich and never ending wars that kill our citizens,other nations citizens,make the defense companies rich and make the already rich and powerful more rich and powerful. Yes I am ready for that dirty old "Socialism" like the Nordic nations have. We have tried the good old American capitalism way long enough It is time for working people to benefit for once. And guess what if all the rich pricks disappeared the world would still go on believe it or not without yachts,mansions and private sex parties. The corporate owned news media's keep spewing the same old bullshit how everyone wants to be rich. Really the vast majority of people just want a decent living with enough left for a nice vacation,college for their kids and a decent place to live. What idiot thinks there are enough resources to build everyone a private skyscraper with a yacht and a helicopter??? me too! im ready! bring it on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cecilmeyer Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 11 hours ago, Ididntdoit said: I know this answer, you get elected in the UAW scam weasel and other naughty things to get to IUAW then you embrace those "gifts" off the record, and carelessly spend strike fund money on maybe a cabin by a lake or something. Now that makes sense LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cecilmeyer Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Like I said you Mr "I am smarter than everyone else " should be working for one of the great financial scam companies on wall street. And where did I say I have 27 years? And Yes I am owed something I paid for social security,medicare, decent roads,schools. You sound like a typical libertarian of Repub. I am master of the universe I do everything on my own and never need anyones help. Just like your idol Ann Rand at the end her life living off government benefits just like all the other hypocrites.I have not voted for a national contract in years. You Sir sound like someone who would sign on to get a bonus and fuck over anybody las long as it benefits you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmco76 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Sorry, not sure where I got 27yrs. from. In over 30 yrs. how many times did you receive unemployment? How much did you pay into the state for unemployment? Nothing!! Your taxes help pay for your child education if they went to public school, also for the road you drive on police, fire, etc. Do we have corrupt and unethical people? Sure. Both political parties are terrible, however, I would not want to live anywhere else. The question is why do these same people get voted in every election. I have never heard a UAW member state they have voted for the national contract in the last 12 or so yrs. Just like no one admits to voting for Trump in 2016, yet he was elected and every contract ratified. Somebody not telling the truth. Look back in history to see how socialism has faired. Don’t be a sheep and believe what you hear on the news, campaign speeches, and even the union propaganda. Socialism only last until there is no more money. This country is 22 trillion dollars in debt. If the govt. took every dime from all the wealthiest people in our country it would not put a dent in to paying off the debt. How long would it take for this country to become Venezuela if we went to a socialist type govt? By the way, Venezuela once was the riches country in South America. Look at it now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGER66 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Go look at your Tesphe account. Look at gains in the last 2 years, then look at return rate. If that doesn’t give you a reason to vote for Trump I don’t know what will. Stock market all time high, unemployment at all time low. His saying is “hire American, buy American. How could you go against that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cecilmeyer Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Just now, fmco76 said: Sorry, not sure where I got 27yrs. from. In over 30 yrs. how many times did you receive unemployment? How much did you pay into the state for unemployment? Nothing!! Your taxes help pay for your child education if they went to public school, also for the road you drive on police, fire, etc. Do we have corrupt and unethical people? Sure. Both political parties are terrible, however, I would not want to live anywhere else. The question is why do these same people get voted in every election. I have never heard a UAW member state they have voted for the national contract in the last 12 or so yrs. Just like no one admits to voting for Trump in 2016, yet he was elected and every contract ratified. Somebody not telling the truth. Look back in history to see how socialism has faired. Don’t be a sheep and believe what you hear on the news, campaign speeches, and even the union propaganda. Socialism only last until there is no more money. This country is 22 trillion dollars in debt. If the govt. took every dime from all the wealthiest people in our country it would not put a dent in to paying off the debt. How long would it take for this country to become Venezuela if we went to a socialist type govt? By the way, Venezuela once was the riches country in South America. Look at it now!! Is Norway a socialist country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cecilmeyer Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Just now, TIGER66 said: Go look at your Tesphe account. Look at gains in the last 2 years, then look at return rate. If that doesn’t give you a reason to vote for Trump I don’t know what will. Stock market all time high, unemployment at all time low. His saying is “hire American, buy American. How could you go against that? You are joking correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGER66 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 No I’m am definitely not joking. Dems want gas to go so high people quit buying it and put us out of business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 23 minutes ago, TIGER66 said: Go look at your Tesphe account. Look at gains in the last 2 years, then look at return rate. If that doesn’t give you a reason to vote for Trump I don’t know what will. Stock market all time high, unemployment at all time low. His saying is “hire American, buy American. How could you go against that? In Illinois, the newly-elected Democratic Governor has already doubled the state gas tax (+19 cents/gallon), in Michigan the new Democratic Governor has initiated (3) 15 cents/gallon gas tax increases, starting this October. I'm seeing fewer and fewer reasons to continue working, I might as well stay home and sit on my butt and collect benefits. Like others have mentioned, at some point the well WILL run dry. HRG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGER66 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Exactly. California Democrats have made gas unaffordable. Their answer to all money problems is to tax gas. Not cut back anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 I am new here and I NEVER comment on political issues. That said I like the forum and felt that I should add my .02. To be clear I have studied political science as a hobby for most of my life including ancient political systems. What we are seeing very clearly in our new country is a scheme known as "Divide and Rule" by the political elites. The easiest way to control a populace is to divide them, and even best let them divide themselves! They do this by being opposed on very personal topics, topics that evoke the most emotion. I.e. my family, my children's future, my security, etc. Just look at who holds the power and who is making the most money; The politicians. We need to look at any of the rhetoric through that lens. I am a proud American, our founding fathers were brilliant and great political scientists. What they put in place is lasting, but is being broken down by the career politicians who are using our country for their own gain. Please help push for equal justice for politicians and non-politicians as well as the need for term limits. Thank you for a wonderful forum BY THE WAY! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 23 minutes ago, HotRunrGuy said: Michigan the new Democratic Governor has initiated (3) 15 cents/gallon gas tax increases, starting this October She wants to but it never made it past the house. It won't pass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 17 minutes ago, TIGER66 said: Exactly. California Democrats have made gas unaffordable. Their answer to all money problems is to tax gas. Not cut back anywhere. Nevermind the $16/pack for cigarettes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark270 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 26 minutes ago, HotRunrGuy said: In Illinois, the newly-elected Democratic Governor has already doubled the state gas tax (+19 cents/gallon), in Michigan the new Democratic Governor has initiated (3) 15 cents/gallon gas tax increases, starting this October. I'm seeing fewer and fewer reasons to continue working, I might as well stay home and sit on my butt and collect benefits. Like others have mentioned, at some point the well WILL run dry. HRG u left out ohio, all REPUBLICAN house/senate and GOV, and doubled the gas tax on diesel and gas, so ur argument is moot. oh and ohio also raised taxes, on just about everything! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark270 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 dont forget now in ohio u cant even smoke till ur 21, but u can go off and DIE in a republican war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmco76 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 46 minutes ago, cecilmeyer said: Is Norway a socialist country? They have a form of Socialism. I am sure you have a computer and the internet. Try researching information and quit believing uncle Bernie. Don’t be a sheep all your life. The truth is out there. All you have to do is search for it. History repeat itself it you don’t learn from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGER66 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Check Tesphe, can’t argue with numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark270 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 23 hours ago, TIGER66 said: Check Tesphe, can’t argue with numbers. well sadly, trump is not a buffet, where u can pick and choose what u want, then reject what u dont want. so u are ok with racism, ok with locking kids in cages and ok with illegal wars(iran and yemen) ? so when are u signing up to go fight in draft dodgers wars? Edited July 21, 2019 by dark270 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGER66 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 #1-he’s not racist, your listening to people tell you he’s racist and I believe he even had a black girlfriend. #2- the cage is only locked on 1 side going toward the states, it’s wide open going in the other direction. #3- as far as I am aware of we are not in Iran and I don’t know about Yemen. When I get depressed about current situations I go to my Tesphe account and look at the gains then I read about the Auto jobs coming back from Mexico and China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ididntdoit Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 On 7/20/2019 at 11:07 AM, TIGER66 said: Exactly. California Democrats have made gas unaffordable. Their answer to all money problems is to tax gas. Not cut back anywhere. Keep in mind, most of those California Democrats you're talking about are fellow UAW members, graduate students unionized by UAW. Because they have autoworkers best interest at heart. Think about it, the moment executive orders were set in place about gas emissions the UAW changed direction, knew autoworkers were no longer lucrative to bargain for and began unionizing nurses teachers graduate students anything they could legally unionize. It's not even about their political party because to get elected they will spew anything to get in office but once they're in true colors show and out comes the agendas they kept hidden during their campaigns. They smear each other one side lie to us from the other. Being an American is great we can make our own choices on who we vote for but not all have that type of common sense and will fall victim to the subliminal hate messages pounded into their heads by main stream media. Listen to the actual politician spew his own lies don't ever allow some gossip columnist pretending to be a political analyst interpret for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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