Twin Turbo Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 ....to replace the Mondeo, S-Max and Galaxy in Europe........and will be available in the US https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/ford-resurrect-mondeo-global-mid-sized-crossover?fbclid=IwAR2eFELzjvcqA8QmtP_bnLGc4PvuOebif83JYGw-Dgq0-PktH4KBYmohEvI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 OMG No. No way that sells more than 2k a month here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Replacement for Flex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 2 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: OMG No. No way that sells more than 2k a month here. Why not? Its just a photoshop-I'm assuming its going to look something close to this and it looks far better then any Subaru product solid here, which look like bloated wagons 55 minutes ago, twintornados said: Replacement for Flex? Most likely smaller-but it would be a good fit for Oakville-since the Flex and MKT are going away sooner then later and the Fusion will be around for a little longer till the small SUV/Pickup come around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 minute ago, silvrsvt said: ...Most likely smaller-but it would be a good fit for Oakville-since the Flex and MKT are going away sooner then later and the Fusion will be around for a little longer till the small SUV/Pickup come around. Since it is targeted to replace S-Max and Galaxy along with Mondeo, sounds like it would slot in quite nicely...and I agree on Oakville for North American production...it would indeed be a good fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 44 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: Why not? Its just a photoshop-I'm assuming its going to look something close to this and it looks far better then any Subaru product solid here, which look like bloated wagons Most likely smaller-but it would be a good fit for Oakville-since the Flex and MKT are going away sooner then later and the Fusion will be around for a little longer till the small SUV/Pickup come around. Remember the Venza and Crosstour? That's wheat this rendering looks like to me. Those two are already dead and buried. I'm with Fuzzy - this won't sell well. I don't know why the small pick-up would have any bearing on the Fusion's schedule. It won't sell in any volume either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Subarus sell because they are Subarus, not because of looks or versatility. They have become ingrained in the NW and East Coast as a left-of-center carmaker and as the "non-SUV" SUV-maker. Its image and marketing which they have perfected. Another automaker won't be able to duplicate the success of Subaru just by having a like model. It takes more than that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 I would rather have something like this than an Edge to replace my Fusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, twintornados said: Since it is targeted to replace S-Max and Galaxy along with Mondeo, sounds like it would slot in quite nicely...and I agree on Oakville for North American production...it would indeed be a good fit. If they market it correctly it will be a decent seller. If they go it can be FWD and is $3000 more than an Outback there will be massive problems. AWD needs to be standard and only 4 trim lines; look at Subaru and copy that. If it is going to replace the Galaxy/S-Max it is going to need 7 seats. That really hurt Edge in Europe, on top of being expensive it didn't offer 7 seats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 There is your white space Fusion replacement. If it is on C2 as the article says then this would be built in Mexico and can share the assembly line with other C2 products. So even if they don't sell a lot of them they can easily adjust production with other C2 vehicles as needed. I think it needs more rugged sheetmetal for North America though. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, akirby said: There is your white space Fusion replacement. If it is on C2 as the article says then this would be built in Mexico and can share the assembly line with other C2 products. So even if they don't sell a lot of them they can easily adjust production with other C2 vehicles as needed. I think it needs more rugged sheetmetal for North America though. I think an "Active" version would be good, but there should be regular versions too, like the new Focus. I would like to put my order in now for an ST version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, akirby said: There is your white space Fusion replacement. If it is on C2 as the article says then this would be built in Mexico and can share the assembly line with other C2 products. So even if they don't sell a lot of them they can easily adjust production with other C2 vehicles as needed. I think it needs more rugged sheetmetal for North America though. The look isn't exactly right - but AFAIK *this* is the next Fusion. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Trader 10 said: Remember the Venza and Crosstour? That's wheat this rendering looks like to me. Those two are already dead and buried. I'm with Fuzzy - this won't sell well. I don't know why the small pick-up would have any bearing on the Fusion's schedule. It won't sell in any volume either. The thing that is just a rendering. The Crosstour was ugly and the Venza wasn't anything to look at either and was competing against the Highlander. As for the Fusion schedule-the Fusion was supposed to go out of production in 2021 to build the Transit Connect and the smaller pickup based off it. It got extended out to 2023 or so. There are three plants that have product going away in North America and some new product that doesn't have a home yet.. Cuautitlán-Fiesta production winding down-assumed to get the Mach E and Bronco Scout due to timing Hermosillo-Fusion/MKZ production-rumored to get the Transit Connect and Small Pickup Oakville-Edge/Nautilus production. The Flex and MKT are going out of production next year-no new product as of yet stated to go there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Anthony said: Subarus sell because they are Subarus, not because of looks or versatility. They have become ingrained in the NW and East Coast as a left-of-center carmaker and as the "non-SUV" SUV-maker. Its image and marketing which they have perfected. Another automaker won't be able to duplicate the success of Subaru just by having a like model. It takes more than that. So accurate, and so painful to acknowledge! You think they are popular on the coast - they challenge F-series here in the Mtn West for best selling vehicle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterC6482 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 33 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: The thing that is just a rendering. The Crosstour was ugly and the Venza wasn't anything to look at either and was competing against the Highlander. As for the Fusion schedule-the Fusion was supposed to go out of production in 2021 to build the Transit Connect and the smaller pickup based off it. It got extended out to 2023 or so. There are three plants that have product going away in North America and some new product that doesn't have a home yet.. Cuautitlán-Fiesta production winding down-assumed to get the Mach E and Bronco Scout due to timing Hermosillo-Fusion/MKZ production-rumored to get the Transit Connect and Small Pickup Oakville-Edge/Nautilus production. The Flex and MKT are going out of production next year-no new product as of yet stated to go there. Fusion is ending sometime in-2020, it was announced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, PeterC6482 said: Fusion is ending sometime in-2020, it was announced. It's been granted a stay of execution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 2 hours ago, jasonj80 said: If they market it correctly it will be a decent seller. If they go it can be FWD and is $3000 more than an Outback there will be massive problems. AWD needs to be standard and only 4 trim lines; look at Subaru and copy that. If it is going to replace the Galaxy/S-Max it is going to need 7 seats. That really hurt Edge in Europe, on top of being expensive it didn't offer 7 seats. I don't understand why the 7-seat Edge has been China only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudz64 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, silvrsvt said: "Oakville-Edge/Nautilus production. The Flex and MKT are going out of production next year-no new product as of yet stated to go there. " It appears the Flex and MKT die this year, as no Job 1 dates have been posted for 2020 builds and in the 2020 Ford Fleet preview, they are absent. My hope is the next Edge/Nautilus move to the rwd CD6 in 2021 (as 2022 models) and the rumored rwd Zephyr sedan will move into Oakville around same time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, PREMiERdrum said: It's been granted a stay of execution. It was reportedly pushed to 2023 but then they backtracked and said 2020 would be the last year. Which is accurate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterC6482 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, akirby said: It was reportedly pushed to 2023 but then they backtracked and said 2020 would be the last year. Which is accurate? 2020 is still accurate, I believe. No plant capacity available for Fusion/MKZ after 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, PeterC6482 said: 2020 is still accurate, I believe. No plant capacity available for Fusion/MKZ after 2020. What?? Looks to me like Ford will have plenty of excess capacity in the two Mexican plants going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 I think this is what's happening... just speculation, no inside knowledge. Ford is developing two midsize CUV to replace Mondeo/Fusion and Edge. One will have more sporty look and *maybe* a lower profile, while the other will have more like SUV. Couple this with the fact that Bronco will be roughly the same size, this is Ford's plan to divide and conquer the midsize CUV/SUV market. I wouldn't fixate on the Subaru Outback part... it could look very similar to a bigger Puma: that thing basically look just like a hatchback with bigger tires and fender flairs. Imagine something similar but in the size of Mondeo/Fusion but with appropriate roof extension in the cargo area for better proportions (that was Honda Crosstour's problem... bad proportions). Mondeo "Active" ==> vs. Outback etc. - urban/more car-like Edge ==> vs. Highlander etc. - suburban/in the middle Bronco vs. 4Runner etc. - rugged/off road 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jqa1824 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Don’t underestimate the Outback. It’s reliable, fairly affordable, has good interior and cargo room, and has remained consistent in its message and execution...I.e. it’s a great product. The gravy on top is that AWD is standard and barely adds a cost penalty to a similarly sized and equipped competitor that is FWD only. If Ford made a true Outback competitor with all or most of these virtues, it could sell really well, especially if it looks good. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Never believe "Photoshop" pics of so called "upcoming products". Some rumors start with these. Remember all the "AMC returns" posts awhile back, but it was an April Fools joke, by Hot Rod magazine? But, they did say Fusion sedan would be replaced by a "white space vehicle". So, don't dismiss it too fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 5 hours ago, akirby said: There is your white space Fusion replacement. If it is on C2 as the article says then this would be built in Mexico and can share the assembly line with other C2 products. So even if they don't sell a lot of them they can easily adjust production with other C2 vehicles as needed. I think it needs more rugged sheetmetal for North America though. Oakville makes sense too if NG Edge/Nautilus go to C2 Either way I don't see that doing that well for reasons similar to what Anthony said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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