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13 hours ago, NYinTex said:

All cars have design decisions that weigh cost against safety, cost against convenience, cost against luxury, etc.    Of course the pinto could have been designed to be safer... would $0.11 have "fixed' the "problem"? I am doubtful.  Maybe it was an 0.11 part, but what other design and build issues would there have been?   Design is more complicated than to simply say "an $.11 item would have stopped the Pintos from blowing up".  That doesn't sound plausible to me. 

 

49 minutes ago, 92merc said:

The one story I saw was that Ford had considered gas tanks with bladders in them for puncture resisting.  I thought the cost was closer to $5 at the time.

The part itself was approximately $1 (plastic shield), but the design and tooling for production was already completed...
https://www.autonews.com/article/20030616/SUB/306160770/lee-iacocca-s-pinto-a-fiery-failure

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1 hour ago, ausrutherford said:

Every company screws up from time to time for they are made of people. Yet, people thinks companies should be infallible for some reason...

It’s not the mistake. It’s the resolution that counts. A mistake that was just an oversight or a design flaw is one thing. Knowing that a problem exists and proceeding without change then trying to cover it up is pure negligence. 

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Ford has spent years rebuilding reliability with Focus, Escape and Fiesta to ruin everything with Powershift and get back to square one.  It seems like a cycle that has no end.  They build a reliable car, but it always seems like a catastrophe happens for reliability to be over. The Escort was a great car for three decades, but everything was ruined by the poorly made fifth generation.  They did the Focus as a fresh start, and now it was hit by the Powershift.  Taurus managed to stay ahead of the Japanese cars in the 80s, but somehow ruined it in the 90s, discontinued it once and now again is out of lineup.  Something is wrong and lingers on American brands that can not follow Toyota and Honda. 

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1 hour ago, RadicalX said:

Ford has spent years rebuilding reliability with Focus, Escape and Fiesta to ruin everything with Powershift and get back to square one.

The Escape never had the powershift transmission....

 

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1 hour ago, silvrsvt said:

The Escape never had the powershift transmission....

 

Escape/Kuga being out of the powershift's problems is a relief.  I did not know it used the 6F35!  I wonder if Ford was using the 6F35 in Focus and Fiesta instead of Powershift would have been a better choice.  Here in Brazil they replaced the Powershift with the 6F15 and it's very good!

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On 7/12/2019 at 8:07 PM, fuzzymoomoo said:

You can't honestly sit there with a straight face and say it wouldn't have been better than the PowerShift 

 

On 7/13/2019 at 3:12 AM, jpd80 said:

As someone who has driven the before and after with a 2.0 DI Powershift Focus and a 1.5 EB 6F35 Focus, the difference is night an day, the 6F35 may have issues but I bet way more customers could live with it. Who knows, if Ford had doubled down on 6F35 instead of Powershift, maybe a lot of the converter issues could have been cured on the run...

Reliability wise it would have been enough better to not have this fiasco, maybe. But 1.5 Ecoboost is a completely different beast than the 2.0 N/A. MPG loss with 6f35 paired to 2.0 would put Focus with no real advantage over the competition and when DPoS6 is right, it "works" better with the 2.0's output than a standard slushbox would. Drive a 2wd Ecosport and a Focus back to back, ignoring the obvious differences in chassis. Their weights are essentially the same. JPD the fault is not with the converter itself, it is with the way that they use it to smooth the inherent roughness of a FWD 4 banger's power impulses. I am in no way defending the DPoS6, but 6F35 was not the answer. 

Forgot to add, that Friday, Ford essentially expanded 14M01 to include up to MY17.

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On 7/16/2019 at 3:37 AM, YT90SC said:

 

Reliability wise it would have been enough better to not have this fiasco, maybe. But 1.5 Ecoboost is a completely different beast than the 2.0 N/A. MPG loss with 6f35 paired to 2.0 would put Focus with no real advantage over the competition and when DPoS6 is right, it "works" better with the 2.0's output than a standard slushbox would. Drive a 2wd Ecosport and a Focus back to back, ignoring the obvious differences in chassis. Their weights are essentially the same. JPD the fault is not with the converter itself, it is with the way that they use it to smooth the inherent roughness of a FWD 4 banger's power impulses. I am in no way defending the DPoS6, but 6F35 was not the answer. 

Forgot to add, that Friday, Ford essentially expanded 14M01 to include up to MY17.

Thanks and appreciate your insight on this issue with 6F35 it sounds like a mixture of design flaws with control body and software, whatever they did with 1.5EB/ 6F35 worked much better for sure and new 1.5 1-3 EB and 8AT feels even better 

 

no doubt Ford was convinced by Getrag that a dry clutch would work but not addressing issues earlier just made things worse, had the tune on the PS started out with the set up used on the 2015 correction, maybe Ford would have been in a better position,  even going through clutches quicker would have been preferable to today’s fiasco

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On 7/15/2019 at 10:16 AM, silvrsvt said:

The Escape never had the powershift transmission...

The only PS in ROW Escape/ Kuga was wet clutch PS used with diesel 

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