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5 hours ago, msm859 said:

California’s agriculture industry is a major player in the state’s economy – and for the U.S. overall –  generating a whopping $100 billion in agriculture-related activity each year. One of only five agricultural regions in the world with a Mediterranean-growing climate, California produces more than 400 animal and plant commodities annually, more than any other state, with top products including milk, almonds, grapes, beef and more. Additionally, two-thirds of the nation’s fruits and nuts and over a third of its vegetables are produced by California farms alone.

We also have Silicon Valley and Hollywood that are not going to be replaced by Texas.  Not too worried about a BK, we have a $20 billion dollar surplus this year.

I say again what can Cali do that can't be done in other states?, just because California is allowed to hold a title means nothing (except arrogant CA residents). An extreme example is how China was behind in 1988 vs now, anywhere in this nation can surpass CA with the right steps .

Technology?,  heard of Microsoft?, Boeing?, Amazon?  hell even Ford? all non-CA companies. Hollywood?, who really cares about the smut TV, movie & porn industry with a bunch of whinny, entitled "actors" who try to "teach" American values?, plenty of good entertainment and shows outside of CA. Food?, food can be grown anywhere with plenty of land and sunlight (which TX and FL have). With all the problems CA is having you guys can have that "success".

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56 minutes ago, Fgts said:

Food?, food can be grown anywhere with plenty of land and sunlight (which TX and FL have).

Texas has plenty of land and sunlight (especially west of the 100th parallel). But California has other characteristics for agriculture that Texas does not. Distribution of rainfall by season, range of temperatures, topography, soil types, etc. That's why California's agriculture industry is much more diverse.

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22 hours ago, rperez817 said:

Yes sir. In this case, China's public policy goal was to increase adoption of EVs. And be the #1 market for EVs in the world. On that measure, they succeeded.

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how about something that reflects Evs per capita otherwise given Chinas horrendously large populous that graph is moot..and keep in mind half of whats on their roads wouldn't  pass ANY type of test here...

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2 hours ago, Fgts said:

I say again what can Cali do that can't be done in other states?, just because California is allowed to hold a title means nothing (except arrogant CA residents). An extreme example is how China was behind in 1988 vs now, anywhere in this nation can surpass CA with the right steps .

Technology?,  heard of Microsoft?, Boeing?, Amazon?  hell even Ford? all non-CA companies. Hollywood?, who really cares about the smut TV, movie & porn industry with a bunch of whinny, entitled "actors" who try to "teach" American values?, plenty of good entertainment and shows outside of CA. Food?, food can be grown anywhere with plenty of land and sunlight (which TX and FL have). With all the problems CA is having you guys can have that "success".

Ouch!  So yo don't like California.  90% of all wine from the United States comes from California so it is pretty safe to say that can't be done in other states.  99 percent of artichokes, 99 percent of walnuts, 97 percent of kiwis, 97 percent of plums, 95 percent of celery, 95 percent of garlic, 89 percent of cauliflower, 71 percent of spinach, and 69 percent of carrots in the United States.  82% of the worlds  AlmondsYou seriously think anywhere in this nation can surpass CA with the "right steps"?  Then why doesn't some other state take the "right steps".  Smut TV & Porn? Yes, California produces the most but it is for the red states that consume it. https://www.cnbc.com/2009/07/14/Top-US-States-For-Online-Pornography.html

I have heard of those companies you mentioned,  Microsoft & Amazon are headquartered in/near Seattle WA - great progressive place - love the city.  Have you heard of Apple, Alphabet, Facebook.  Usually in the top 6 of most valuable companies in the country - all in CA. And Californians are not arrogant, we are a diverse welcoming, open and friendly people who are not afraid of diversity, willing to accept people for who/what they are, we care about people and the environment.  Are we perfect - of course not.  Do we have some problems , sure (although I do not know what you mean by "all the problems CA is having")  But I would not want to live anyplace else.  

 

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7 minutes ago, msm859 said:

Ouch!  So yo don't like California.  90% of all wine from the United States comes from California so it is pretty safe to say that can't be done in other states.  99 percent of artichokes, 99 percent of walnuts, 97 percent of kiwis, 97 percent of plums, 95 percent of celery, 95 percent of garlic, 89 percent of cauliflower, 71 percent of spinach, and 69 percent of carrots in the United States.  82% of the worlds  AlmondsYou seriously think anywhere in this nation can surpass CA with the "right steps"?  Then why doesn't some other state take the "right steps".  Smut TV & Porn? Yes, California produces the most but it is for the red states that consume it. https://www.cnbc.com/2009/07/14/Top-US-States-For-Online-Pornography.html

I have heard of those companies you mentioned,  Microsoft & Amazon are headquartered in/near Seattle WA - great progressive place - love the city.  Have you heard of Apple, Alphabet, Facebook.  Usually in the top 6 of most valuable companies in the country - all in CA. And Californians are not arrogant, we are a diverse welcoming, open and friendly people who are not afraid of diversity, willing to accept people for who/what they are, we care about people and the environment.  Are we perfect - of course not.  Do we have some problems , sure (although I do not know what you mean by "all the problems CA is having")  But I would not want to live anyplace else.  

 

Off topic, I don't wanna go back to find the post; so all the talk about california debt and bankruptcy is just false?  I think you said yall have a 20million surplus?

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49 minutes ago, probowler said:

Off topic, I don't wanna go back to find the post; so all the talk about california debt and bankruptcy is just false?  I think you said yall have a 20million surplus?

Yes, said talk is ALL false LOL. And actually I said "billion" regarding the surplus.  It is actually $21.5 BILLION - https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-gavin-newsom-california-budget-20190513-story.html.  As you see the surplus is actually  greater than the entire budget of at least 20 states.

California was having budgetary problems over 6 years ago.  We then got a super majority of Democrats in power, raised taxes and invested in the state - complete turn around.  Contrast with Kansas that went full "supple side economics" slashed taxes and ended up with an economic meltdown.

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The screaming headline is banning ICEs by <Insert date>  but like Euro governments, what is actually proposed is banning stand alone ICEs without HEV or PHEV... I think the idea is to transition as much as possiple, the majority of existing ICE vehicles to more efficient HEVs with the intent of progressing to PHEVor extended range BEV and then BEVs as the charging grid establishes and matures.

The objective is to reduce pollution in around major city areas  - commute vehicles in particular but also service / delivery vehicles like buses and Vans/trucks.

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On 5/16/2019 at 1:21 PM, msm859 said:

Sounds like a reasonable response.  California and the states that follow are moving forward  in the 21st century.  The minority of people that control Washington want to move backwards.  However, the rest of the world, China and Europe are also all moving forward.  The United States will be left behind if the masters in Washington get their way.

 those kali growers can grow some dam fine sensimilla...i will give the peoples republic that

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I’m not exactly sure why this topic is in this forum considering it has pretty much turned into politics, which is about as enjoyable as a root canal. I thought about engaging, but it isn’t worth it. Nobody’s convincing anyone to come to their side even though people have more in common than they realize, but aren’t willing to find that common ground. 

I come to this forum because I enjoy talking and learning about Ford products, so time to abandon this thread. 

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Go back and read exactly what Mary Nichols, chair of the California Air Resources Board said.  She was EXPECTED by some to make a statement about a gasoline engine ban, but she didn't.  In fact, she said measures like banning certain types of vehicles, fees and taxes were "things that most of us don't think is the right way to go".  Fake news?

It's probably a moot point anyway, I figure BEV's will be so good by 2040 they will be by far the passenger vehicle of choice.  Larger trucks might be a different story, but cars, CUV's and minivans no question.  And that's just it, with more and more BEV's on the road the air will be cleaner and there will be less pressure to make ICE vehicles cleaner.  And I think the ICE will prove to be overall the cleanest and most efficient what to power heavier vehicles for many years to come.  

   

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11 hours ago, msm859 said:

Yes, said talk is ALL false LOL. And actually I said "billion" regarding the surplus.  It is actually $21.5 BILLION - https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-gavin-newsom-california-budget-20190513-story.html.  As you see the surplus is actually  greater than the entire budget of at least 20 states.

California was having budgetary problems over 6 years ago.  We then got a super majority of Democrats in power, raised taxes and invested in the state - complete turn around.  Contrast with Kansas that went full "supple side economics" slashed taxes and ended up with an economic meltdown.

So the nation supposed to listen to you guys because you have a little money and grow fruits?. TX had a $6-8 billion surplus for a few years but not crazy on taxes but they don't pompously blow thier horn across the nation because of it. Sky-high taxes, catering to the Chinese makes citizens and companies flee like Toyota US (the car company Californians worship). 

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11 hours ago, jpd80 said:

The screaming headline is banning ICEs by <Insert date>  but like Euro governments, what is actually proposed is banning stand alone ICEs without HEV or PHEV... I think the idea is to transition as much as possiple, the majority of existing ICE vehicles to more efficient HEVs with the intent of progressing to PHEVor extended range BEV and then BEVs as the charging grid establishes and matures.

The objective is to reduce pollution in around major city areas  - commute vehicles in particular but also service / delivery vehicles like buses and Vans/trucks.

And regardless of whether anyone agrees with that objective (which seems more like a sub-discussion for a political forum, especially with the hateful tone many of these responses are carrying), Ford seems very well prepared to maintain offerings in every segment in the automotive market for places that are passing such requirements. I assume the other automakers have similar plans, I wonder how their timelines and thoroughness compare.

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13 hours ago, msm859 said:

Yes, said talk is ALL false LOL. And actually I said "billion" regarding the surplus.  It is actually $21.5 BILLION - https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-gavin-newsom-california-budget-20190513-story.html.  As you see the surplus is actually  greater than the entire budget of at least 20 states.

California was having budgetary problems over 6 years ago.  We then got a super majority of Democrats in power, raised taxes and invested in the state - complete turn around.  Contrast with Kansas that went full "supple side economics" slashed taxes and ended up with an economic meltdown.

Must be all that California sunshine...here in New York, we also have a "new" super-majority of Democrats and our budget is ballooning out of control with a declining population while the Governors' appointed parole board lets cop killer after cop killer out of prison....

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10 hours ago, 7Mary3 said:

I figure BEV's will be so good by 2040 they will be by far the passenger vehicle of choice. 

Yes sir. Actually I'd say sooner than 2040. Tesla's BEV are already that good. The whole future of the automotive industry hinges on electrified, shared, autonomous vehicles. And automakers are investing in that stuff now.

Incentives like what Mary Nichols from CARB described can help automakers get to that destination faster.

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7 hours ago, rperez817 said:

Yes sir. Actually I'd say sooner than 2040. Tesla's BEV are already that good. The whole future of the automotive industry hinges on electrified, shared, autonomous vehicles. And automakers are investing in that stuff now.

Incentives like what Mary Nichols from CARB described can help automakers get to that destination faster.

You do know it snowed 11" in duluth minnestoa on may 9th????...is crazy mary blaming global warming for causing a cooling effect now???

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53 minutes ago, snooter said:

You do know it snowed 11" in duluth minnestoa on may 9th????...is crazy mary blaming global warming for causing a cooling effect now???

NASA - What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?

 
Temperature Map
Latest three month average temperature and precipitation anomalies for the United States.
Credits: NOAA
 

The difference between weather and climate is a measure of time. Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time.

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8 hours ago, rperez817 said:

Yes sir. Actually I'd say sooner than 2040. Tesla's BEV are already that good. The whole future of the automotive industry hinges on electrified, shared, autonomous vehicles. And automakers are investing in that stuff now.

Incentives like what Mary Nichols from CARB described can help automakers get to that destination faster.

I don;t think the autonomous is going to play out for a long, long time.  Eventually maybe, but it's running into an awful lot of problems right now.  Shared vehicles may have a place in metropolitan areas.

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19 hours ago, 7Mary3 said:

I don;t think the autonomous is going to play out for a long, long time.  Eventually maybe, but it's running into an awful lot of problems right now.  Shared vehicles may have a place in metropolitan areas.

Shared vehicles are actually fairly normal in the UK. Look up zipcar. Makes life waaaay easier when you live in the city.

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4 hours ago, potatosalad said:

Shared vehicles are actually fairly normal in the UK. Look up zipcar. Makes life waaaay easier when you live in the city.

There really isn't any major city in America that has their shit together as far as public transportation is concerned. Maybe San Francisco with the cable cars but that's really it. 

And no, I wouldn't classify the New York City Subway as being with it. That whole system is a shit show. 

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2 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:

There really isn't any major city in America that has their shit together as far as public transportation is concerned. Maybe San Francisco with the cable cars but that's really it. 

And no, I wouldn't classify the New York City Subway as being with it. That whole system is a shit show. 

I agree, but I'm not talking about public transport.

 

https://www.zipcar.com/en

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On ‎5‎/‎17‎/‎2019 at 8:49 PM, msm859 said:

Yes, said talk is ALL false LOL. And actually I said "billion" regarding the surplus.  It is actually $21.5 BILLION - https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-gavin-newsom-california-budget-20190513-story.html.  As you see the surplus is actually  greater than the entire budget of at least 20 states.

California was having budgetary problems over 6 years ago.  We then got a super majority of Democrats in power, raised taxes and invested in the state - complete turn around.  Contrast with Kansas that went full "supple side economics" slashed taxes and ended up with an economic meltdown.

California only has a surplus if one ignores the state's massive pension obligations, which are not getting smaller:

http://www.newgeography.com/content/006159-california-doesn-t-have-a-budget-surplus

When pension obligations are taken into account, Kansas outranks California for fiscal integrity. And a large reason for California's surplus is a healthy stock market. California's state income tax is very heavily dependent on top earners in general, and income from stock dividends and capital gains (including capital gains generated by the sale of homes), in particular.

https://californiapolicycenter.org/californias-budget-surplus-ignores-crushing-debt-burden/

To illustrate just how unusually swollen California’s current state tax revenues have gotten, compare state tax collections in FYE 6/30/2017 (our most recent available data) to seven years earlier, in 2010. Back in 2010, California was in the grip of the great recession. Total state tax revenue was $94 billion, and $44 billion of that was from personal income taxes. Skip to FYE 6/30/2017, and total state tax revenue was $148 billion, and $86 billion was from personal income taxes. This means that 80 percent of the increase in state tax revenue over the seven years through 6/30/2017 was represented by the increase is collections from individual taxpayers, which doubled.

It isn’t hard to figure out why this happened. Between 2010 and 2017 the tech heavy NASDAQ tripled in value, from 2,092 to 6,153. In that same period, Silicon Valley’s big three tech stocks all quadrupled. Adjusting for splits, Apple shares went from $35 to $144, Facebook opened in May 2012 at $38, and went up to $150, Google moved from $216 to $908.

While California’s tech industry was booming over the past decade, California real estate boomed in parallel. In June 2010 the median home price in California was $335,000; by June 2017 it had jumped to $502,000. Along the California coast, median home prices have gone much higher. Santa Clara County now has a median home price of $1.3 million, double what it was less than a decade ago.

As people sell their overpriced homes to move inland or out-of-state, and as tech workers cash out their burgeoning stock options, hundreds of billions of capital gains generate tens of billions in state tax revenue. But can homes continue to double in value every six or seven years? Can tech stocks continue to quadruple in value every six or seven years? Apparently Gavin Newsom thinks they can. Reality may beg to differ.

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On 5/18/2019 at 8:57 PM, msm859 said:

NASA - What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?

 
Temperature Map
Latest three month average temperature and precipitation anomalies for the United States.
Credits: NOAA
 

The difference between weather and climate is a measure of time. Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time.

And it snowed in duluth minn again on may 19th...i think we now have a trend that the atmosphere has behaved badly over a long period of time and is now cooling...nasa data seems to even support that

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8 hours ago, snooter said:

And it snowed in duluth minn again on may 19th...i think we now have a trend that the atmosphere has behaved badly over a long period of time and is now cooling...nasa data seems to even support that

No.  I don't think NASA data supports a cooling because of what might be happening in Duluth Minn. in the month of May 2019.

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

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