mackinaw Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 From Automotive News: "WINDSOR, Ontario — Ford Motor Co. is dropping one of three production shifts at its Essex engine plant in Windsor, Ontario, in October because of waning demand for 5.0-liter V-8 engines in the automaker’s F-series trucks. The move was made “to better align with consumer demand,” a Ford Canada spokesman told Automotive News Canada in an email." "F-series truck buyers can choose among 2.7-, 3.3-, 3.5- and 5.0-liter engines — as well as a diesel variant — and many are opting for smaller engines, D’Agnolo said." https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/ford-scale-back-v-8-engine-output-ontario-plant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 So much for the V8 or nothing crowd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: So much for the V8 or nothing crowd Ford has done a great job improving its turbo V6 gasoline engines in the past few years. Plus they added a turbo V6 diesel for F-150. Combine that with lots of rah rah promotion for both Ecoboost and V6 diesel, and it's no surprise that V8 demand is dropping. Edited May 3, 2019 by rperez817 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzach Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 20 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: So much for the V8 or nothing crowd That's funny i missed the part where the article said they were selling none. There is still a V8 or nothing crowd, it is just getting smaller and will continue to shrink. It's sad but inevitable as not only the technology erases the performance gap but fuel gets more expensive and less people care about the V8's biggest and best advantage the "SOUND". 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 24 minutes ago, tzach said: There is still a V8 or nothing crowd, it is just getting smaller and will continue to shrink. Among full size LD pickup trucks, Toyota Tundra and Nissan Titan are the only ones that are V8 only at this point. Ford F-150, Chevrolet Silverado, GMC Sierra, and Ram 1500 all have at least one non-V8 engine option. They're all pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve557 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 43 minutes ago, tzach said: That's funny i missed the part where the article said they were selling none. There is still a V8 or nothing crowd, it is just getting smaller and will continue to shrink. It's sad but inevitable as not only the technology erases the performance gap but fuel gets more expensive and less people care about the V8's biggest and best advantage the "SOUND". I prefer the simplicity of the NA V8 and ya the sound is a nice selling feature. I can’t see the V8 F-150 going anywhere for a long time as long. As the Mustang has a V8 which I assume/hope is for the rest of my lifetime. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, Steve557 said: I prefer the simplicity of the NA V8 and ya the sound is a nice selling feature. Which truck offers a simple NA V8? Ford has dual injection systems, TiVCT, etc, Ram and GM have displacement on demand. None of which is 'simple.' OK, maybe Toyota and Nissan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve557 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, fordmantpw said: Which truck offers a simple NA V8? Ford has dual injection systems, TiVCT, etc, Ram and GM have displacement on demand. None of which is 'simple.' OK, maybe Toyota and Nissan. In comparison to the Eco Boost the NA is much simpler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, rperez817 said: Ford has done a great job improving its turbo V6 gasoline engines in the past few years. Plus they added a turbo V6 diesel for F-150. Combine that with lots of rah rah promotion for both Ecoboost and V6 diesel, and it's no surprise that V8 demand is dropping. Funny, I cant remember ever seeing a commercial or ad for the F150 diesel on TV. Even Ice-Capades stated on here that Ford marketing for the diesel is near non existant and that many customers are not even aware it is an option. Edited May 3, 2019 by blwnsmoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 About 25% of F-150's are V8 now, that number is projected to be about 15% by 2022 (2023MY). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 So, is there hope of a 7.3L V8 in F150's future?? Asking for a friend.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 1 hour ago, fordmantpw said: Which truck offers a simple NA V8? Ford has dual injection systems, TiVCT, etc, Ram and GM have displacement on demand. None of which is 'simple.' OK, maybe Toyota and Nissan. The simple low tech pushrod V8 of yore is gone from full size pickup trucks. The Nissan VK56VD V8 engine in the Titan is quite high tech. DOHC, direct injection, dual cam VVT, and variable valve lift (VVEL). And the UR series engine in the comparatively ancient Toyota Tundra still uses a modern DOHC configuration and dual cam VVT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 1 hour ago, twintornados said: So, is there hope of a 7.3L V8 in F150's future?? Asking for a friend.... No 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 48 minutes ago, rperez817 said: The simple low tech pushrod V8 of yore is gone from full size pickup trucks. The Nissan VK56VD V8 engine in the Titan is quite high tech. DOHC, direct injection, dual cam VVT, and variable valve lift (VVEL). And the UR series engine in the comparatively ancient Toyota Tundra still uses a modern DOHC configuration and dual cam VVT. Except for the new 7.3 for the Super Duty and Heavy trucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve557 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Except for the new 7.3 for the Super Duty and Heavy trucks. I would consider the 6.2 to be fairly low tech for an engine nowadays also. Very reliable too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 1 hour ago, rperez817 said: The simple low tech pushrod V8 of yore is gone from full size pickup trucks. The Nissan VK56VD V8 engine in the Titan is quite high tech. DOHC, direct injection, dual cam VVT, and variable valve lift (VVEL). And the UR series engine in the comparatively ancient Toyota Tundra still uses a modern DOHC configuration and dual cam VVT. I didn't know the details of the Nissan and Toyota, so said maybe on those. 40 minutes ago, Steve557 said: I would consider the 6.2 to be fairly low tech for an engine nowadays also. Very reliable too. True, but that's not in the same class as the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 15 hours ago, rperez817 said: The simple low tech pushrod V8 of yore is gone from full size pickup trucks. The Nissan VK56VD V8 engine in the Titan is quite high tech. DOHC, direct injection, dual cam VVT, and variable valve lift (VVEL). And the UR series engine in the comparatively ancient Toyota Tundra still uses a modern DOHC configuration and dual cam VVT. 15 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Except for the new 7.3 for the Super Duty and Heavy trucks. Lets not forget EVERY CHEVY V8 (and the 4.3L Vortec V6) in current production and the Dodge/RAM Hemi V8 Pushrods are back in vogue....Now if Ford would create a V6 version of the new 7.3L V8 ...that would be a nice base engine to install in F150 for fleet use.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, twintornados said: Lets not forget EVERY CHEVY V8 (and the 4.3L Vortec V6) in current production and the Dodge/RAM Hemi V8 Pushrods are back in vogue....Now if Ford would create a V6 version of the new 7.3L V8 ...that would be a nice base engine to install in F150 for fleet use.... 4.3 is the only one that doesn't have displacement on demand. There is a reason GM requires dealers to stock the oil control manifold, lifters, camshaft, etc. The days of the "simple" V8 are gone. Rumor is the new Tundra will have a turbo V6. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 Do you think there could be a 4 - 4.5 liter V8 to replace 5.0? The Mustang without a V8 would be like a mid engine Corvette.....ughhhhh, I hope that doesn't happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 20 hours ago, twintornados said: So, is there hope of a 7.3L V8 in F150's future?? Asking for a friend.... TT-again keep in mind the 7.3 is designed as a truck engine-and a medium duty at that and in my mind 19,500 gvw and above. Should be an absolute home run in 650 and 750 but in typical Ford fashion most of the articles I read in truck rags rarely even mention 650/750 in the same breath as 7.3. Typical dumb ass Ford marketers. At this point they are an exclusive when in comes to class 7 conventionals with gasoline power and they aren't tooting that horn. I recognize it is not available until MY 20 but now is the time to be creating buzz-I would think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 20 hours ago, MY93SHO said: 4.3 is the only one that doesn't have displacement on demand. There is a reason GM requires dealers to stock the oil control manifold, lifters, camshaft, etc. The days of the "simple" V8 are gone. Rumor is the new Tundra will have a turbo V6. The GM 4.3 V6 has AFM but it only it just shuts down two cylinders, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 19 hours ago, jcartwright99 said: Do you think there could be a 4 - 4.5 liter V8 to replace 5.0? The Mustang without a V8 would be like a mid engine Corvette.....ughhhhh, I hope that doesn't happen Mustang is different, wait until you see the hybrid Coyote next year....one thing is for sure, it ain't no Prius... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 On 5/3/2019 at 1:08 PM, rperez817 said: Ford has done a great job improving its turbo V6 gasoline engines in the past few years. Plus they added a turbo V6 diesel for F-150. Combine that with lots of rah rah promotion for both Ecoboost and V6 diesel, and it's no surprise that V8 demand is dropping. Except that, at least in our market, there's little interest in the F-150's V6 Diesel. I don't know whether it's a matter of prospective buyers here not knowing the diesel is available or something else. I have yet to see any mention of the diesel in any F-150 advertising here. The one we had was a 2018MY that sat forever until we finally sold it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, ice-capades said: Except that, at least in our market, there's little interest in the F-150's V6 Diesel. I don't know whether it's a matter of prospective buyers here not knowing the diesel is available or something else. I have yet to see any mention of the diesel in any F-150 advertising here. The one we had was a 2018MY that sat forever until we finally sold it. I've seen 1 on the road here in the land of A-plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Kat Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 3 hours ago, jpd80 said: Mustang is different, wait until you see the hybrid Coyote next year....one thing is for sure, it ain't no Prius... Wait what? For real? That’s incredible if true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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