.I. Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Anthony said: That rear quarter window looks like it is a fake too (note there is no light shining through). The rear quarter window is fake. I could not believe it when I realized. This window and the large amount of black plastic that floods the front of the vehicle simulating air intakes make this car the farthest from a luxury car that can exist. The proportions, the details, the ornamentation, the fake rear window, the fake air intakes at the front, the terrible C- pillar... this car is a design mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Are we seeing the results of some serious cost cutting at Caddy the last couple of years? First XT6 now this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 15 minutes ago, akirby said: Are we seeing the results of some serious cost cutting at Caddy the last couple of years? First XT6 now this. Seems to be GM across the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Seems to be GM across the board. Well at least they haven't cut corners on the new Corvette, otherwise you'd see all sorts of problems from electrical to warped frames and......... 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, akirby said: Well at least they haven't cut corners on the new Corvette, otherwise you'd see all sorts of problems from electrical to warped frames and......... Maybe they should have copied the "make 1 a day, sell for $400K approach" ? HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Well I can see at least gm can use all those leftover greenhouses from the Cruze IMO. the side profile looks like a stretched Cruze. Welcome back the Cimarron!! Just kidding. I agree, not hideous, but definitely not looking too great. I’ll wait to see one in person. Btw all the pictures of car profiles are proof positive everything is a copy of each other. Only one that’s not, Lexus. Lexus new tag line. “If it’s not ugly, we don’t make it”! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 45 minutes ago, HotRunrGuy said: Maybe they should have copied the "make 1 a day, sell for $400K approach" ? HRG Now now, there's days where they build 2 GTs in a day ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 8:52 AM, akirby said: Are we seeing the results of some serious cost cutting at Caddy the last couple of years? First XT6 now this. I find this really distressing that Cadillac is regressing to the 80's Cadillac where their cars were luxury in name only. This is made worse by the fact the sedan is on its own platform and should stand out from the rest of GM's lineup. It seriously looks like a Saturn or Pontiac revival. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 38 minutes ago, atomcat68 said: I find this really distressing that Cadillac is regressing to the 80's Cadillac where their cars were luxury in name only. This is made worse by the fact the sedan is on its own platform and should stand out from the rest of GM's lineup. It seriously looks like a Saturn or Pontiac revival. ..or Oldsmobile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, twintornados said: ..or Oldsmobile. No, Moldmobile will never come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 minute ago, atomcat68 said: No, Moldmobile will never come back. But....Cutlass!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, twintornados said: But....Cutlass!!! This was my first car except it had a full white vinyl top. I added wire basket wheels and whitewall tires. It was quite the pimp mobile. It was a also a piece of crap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grbeck Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) On 3/19/2019 at 8:52 AM, akirby said: Are we seeing the results of some serious cost cutting at Caddy the last couple of years? First XT6 now this. The XT6 seems more like a rush job in response to dealers clamoring for a crossover of that size and price. The CT5 shows more evidence of the cost-cutters' handiwork. This car leaves me scratching my head...the sedan segment has been declining for years now. This entry, which strikes me as a half-hearted effort, isn't going to get anyone out of an Audi, BMW, Lexus, Mercedes-Benz or Tesla. So why bother...? Edited March 20, 2019 by grbeck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Ah the Cutlass. Believe it or not, this was the best selling car in America back in 1975. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, grbeck said: The XT6 seems more like a rush job in response to dealers clamoring for a crossover of that size and price. The CT5 shows more evidence of the cost-cutters' handiwork. This car leaves me scratching my head...the sedan segment has been declining for years now. This entry, which strikes me as a half-hearted effort, isn't going to get anyone out of an Audi, BMW, Lexus, Mercedes-Benz or Tesla. So why bother...? At this point, it could be for the same reason that Nissan produces the Titan and Toyota builds the Tundra. As a concession/an offering to fans of their brands who want to stay loyal to the company. In GM's case, not just Cadillac but the whole umbrella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 It may do better than CTS - partially because that's not a high bar to jump over, but also because XTS will be going away, and buyers will want something in this pricepoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 I suspect CT5 was designed primarily with Chinese customers in mind... Cadillac even said they prioritize the rear seat leg and head room which explains the upright rear door opening, which will make it easier to get in and out of the back seat. This design priority means Cadillac couldn't go with a more fluid rear door opening that follows the roof line as previewed with the Escala concept car. CT5 also lost the rear quarter window from the Escala. It could be cost cutting but more likely, it is just the result of more upright rear door opening, which in turn reduces the area of sheetmetal that are required to meet certain roof strength metric (entirely my speculation). Also, like the bigger CT6, the CT5 will be priced to compete with smaller entries so while it replaces CTS and XTS in the line up size wise, it reality, GM is really trying to jam it in the middle between the current ATS and CTS price range. And similarly, the CT4, which will come later, will be a BMW 3 series size car priced to compete with Audi A3, BMW 1-series, and Mercedes A-class sedan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 I really, REALLY hope Cadillac comes out with a new performance line called Alpha....this way, the CT5 can be called the CT Alpha 5.....please, please, please!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadicalX Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 2 hours ago, twintornados said: I really, REALLY hope Cadillac comes out with a new performance line called Alpha....this way, the CT5 can be called the CT Alpha 5.....please, please, please!!! alPHa romeo -q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 5 hours ago, twintornados said: I really, REALLY hope Cadillac comes out with a new performance line called Alpha....this way, the CT5 can be called the CT Alpha 5.....please, please, please!!! I'm young enough for this to be the only Alpha 5 I acknowledge... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.I. Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 13 hours ago, bzcat said: I suspect CT5 was designed primarily with Chinese customers in mind... Cadillac even said they prioritize the rear seat leg and head room which explains the upright rear door opening, which will make it easier to get in and out of the back seat. This design priority means Cadillac couldn't go with a more fluid rear door opening that follows the roof line as previewed with the Escala concept car. CT5 also lost the rear quarter window from the Escala. It could be cost cutting but more likely, it is just the result of more upright rear door opening, which in turn reduces the area of sheetmetal that are required to meet certain roof strength metric (entirely my speculation). Also, like the bigger CT6, the CT5 will be priced to compete with smaller entries so while it replaces CTS and XTS in the line up size wise, it reality, GM is really trying to jam it in the middle between the current ATS and CTS price range. And similarly, the CT4, which will come later, will be a BMW 3 series size car priced to compete with Audi A3, BMW 1-series, and Mercedes A-class sedan. Maybe you are rigth. In any case, the design of this car is painful. Is cheap looking (a black plastic panel simulating a rear window??? really???), uncohesive, with terrible proportions and bad stance, horrible details (that C-pillar is a mess... is horrible... is emetic), with a front end that can be used in any cheap asian sedan (more fake black plastic air scoops than in a Civic...). I cant understand how this design received the green ligth for production. Maybe because is very cheap to produce it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) GM has another new RWD architecture coming around 2022 (a bit like Ford's CD6), it will replace Alpha and Omega....So these are the last we will see of the current CT6, CT5 and presumably CT4. Edited March 21, 2019 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 2 hours ago, jpd80 said: GM has another new RWD architecture coming around 2022 (a bit like Ford's CD6), it will replace Alpha and Omega....So these are the last we will see of the current CT6, CT5 and presumably CT4. I don't know...if you have the beginning and the end...not really sure where you could go from there...maybe side wheel drive architecture and designated oopsilon. (Yes, I know...it is actually upsilon...using "oops" intentionally) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 32 minutes ago, twintornados said: I don't know...if you have the beginning and the end...not really sure where you could go from there...maybe side wheel drive architecture and designated oopsilon. (Yes, I know...it is actually upsilon...using "oops" intentionally) The days of spending $20 Billion on Cadillac over x number of years is over, GM will squeeze every last dollar out of its engineering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 On 3/20/2019 at 2:20 PM, bzcat said: Also, like the bigger CT6, the CT5 will be priced to compete with smaller entries so while it replaces CTS and XTS in the line up size wise, it reality, GM is really trying to jam it in the middle between the current ATS and CTS price range. And similarly, the CT4, which will come later, will be a BMW 3 series size car priced to compete with Audi A3, BMW 1-series, and Mercedes A-class sedan. That started this whole problem-the CTS was doing "well" when it was the entry level product for Caddy (at least in the US) but with the ATS-which completely missed the mark and the CTS being pushed up market, both cars lost their shirts with their core buyers in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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