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Cadillac to add 3 number designations to existing alphanumeric names

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Cadillac's new system is identical to the Jaguar Land Rover system - somewhat based on the torque metric rating but not really.

At the end of the day, it is just a way for Cadillac to (somewhat logically) add power rating to trim levels to differentiate pricing tiers. They have to do it this way because engine displacements are no longer a meaningful way to signal to unsophisticated buyers the model hierarchy (and thus pricing). There will be a time soon when most new vehicles will not have internal combustion engines so the old habits of labeling engine sizes to signal price/performance level has to change.

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Just now, bzcat said:

Cadillac's new system is identical to the Jaguar Land Rover system - somewhat based on the torque metric rating but not really.

At the end of the day, it is just a way for Cadillac to (somewhat logically) add power rating to trim levels to differentiate pricing tiers. They have to do it this way because engine displacements are no longer a meaningful way to signal to unsophisticated buyers the model hierarchy (and thus pricing). There will be a time soon when most new vehicles will not have internal combustion engines so the old habits of labeling engine sizes to signal price/performance level has to change.

JLR's uses horsepower.

F-Type P380 - petrol with 380-hp.

Velar D180 - diesel with 180-hp.

P for Petrol, D for Diesel.

 

That's it.  No conversions, no rounding.  Much simpler and more straightforward than this system.

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On ‎3‎/‎13‎/‎2019 at 4:54 PM, rmc523 said:

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On 3/13/2019 at 5:17 PM, rperez817 said:

All automotive engineers in the U.S. use Newton-meters for measuring torque. Also, Cadillac's system is one type of "virtual displacement" numbering that all the major luxury car brands use. Main difference is that Cadillac is using max torque as the standard rather than max power. 

As long as the numbers are used consistently in all Cadillac markets around the world, this system makes sense.

It’s a dumb, unnecessary idea. I’m not sure why you would want to defend that. 

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22 hours ago, rmc523 said:

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32 minutes ago, tbone said:

It’s a dumb, unnecessary idea. I’m not sure why you would want to defend that. 

Because GM and Jaguar never do anything wrong.

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I liked the simple alphanumeric models then throw a 4 or a V to designate AWD or performance models. Most non car people won’t get it or care about if a XT5 has a 400 next to it.

This reminds me of the “let’s put the GM square logo on the fender of everything”.  

Unlike most folks on here, I welcome change and new ideas, but I don’t think this is one worth the effort. Even Ford’s major loss in the “mobility” stuff, ie chariot. If you don’t try new stuff you will never change. 

I feel that’s what happened to sears. They had the biggest catalog sales of anyone. But instead of keeping with the times and taking some chances like amazon. They stayed the same and lost it all. 

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48 minutes ago, akirby said:

Because GM and Jaguar never do anything wrong.

As rmc noted, even Jaguar doesn't do that. Their numbers relate to HP.

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15 minutes ago, Gurgeh said:

As rmc noted, even Jaguar doesn't do that. Their numbers relate to HP.

That was a general statement about Mr. Perez, not specifically about model numbers.

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1 hour ago, tbone said:

It’s a dumb, unnecessary idea. I’m not sure why you would want to defend that. 

 

10 minutes ago, akirby said:

That was a general statement about Mr. Perez, not specifically about model numbers.

As I mentioned before, all of the Tier 1 luxury car brands, and most of the Tier 2 brands, use some form of "virtual displacement" numbering for their model hierarchies. It indicates relative performance level based on power (or torque, for Cadillac) of a car's powertrain. You are welcome to think it's unnecessary and dumb. But luxury car makers and their customers don't. 

akirby, if you want believe "GM and Jaguar never do anything wrong" go right ahead. You ain't speaking for anyone else including Mr. Perez.

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1 hour ago, rperez817 said:

 

As I mentioned before, all of the Tier 1 luxury car brands, and most of the Tier 2 brands, use some form of "virtual displacement" numbering for their model hierarchies. It indicates relative performance level based on power (or torque, for Cadillac) of a car's powertrain. You are welcome to think it's unnecessary and dumb. But luxury car makers and their customers don't. 

akirby, if you want believe "GM and Jaguar never do anything wrong" go right ahead. You ain't speaking for anyone else including Mr. Perez.

The problem is not that they're trying to set up a performance/power level hierarchy.  If they want to do that like other brands have, go for it.

The problems are:

1) Its ANOTHER modification to the naming scheme they just came out with a few years ago,

2) This new system is designed to literally "show off" the car's power (which is fine).....only, they use a system nobody in the brand's home market (the US) uses (NM), and it's generously rounded on top of that.  Your average person is going to think it means horsepower (the only figure most people are vaguely familiar with), and I guarantee that your average salesman will tout the number as such (horsepower) - themselves having no clue what it means.  OR best case scenario, they DO present it as torque, but they say it has 400, when that's not the US figure.

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3 hours ago, rperez817 said:

 

As I mentioned before, all of the Tier 1 luxury car brands, and most of the Tier 2 brands, use some form of "virtual displacement" numbering for their model hierarchies. It indicates relative performance level based on power (or torque, for Cadillac) of a car's powertrain. You are welcome to think it's unnecessary and dumb. But luxury car makers and their customers don't. 

akirby, if you want believe "GM and Jaguar never do anything wrong" go right ahead. You ain't speaking for anyone else including Mr. Perez.

Well, I guess since I’m a luxury make owner I’m qualified to have an opinion about it then, and that opinion remains that it is dumb and unnecessary. 

And I can vouch for my mother, whose last four vehicles were Cadillacs, the last being an XT5, could care less about a power designation on her vehicle. Especially one that is specified in a  measurement our country doesn’t even use. 

Doing something just because someone else is doing it, doesn’t make it a good idea. 

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You know, the other problem is dipshit salespeople who can't be bothered to learn their products are going to tell people the number means horsepower which is going to cause it's own set of problems. 

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22 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:

You know, the other problem is dipshit salespeople who can't be bothered to learn their products are going to tell people the number means horsepower which is going to cause it's own set of problems. 

Dipshit sales people... ah yes....   ranger production 24 hours a day yet?

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4 minutes ago, blwnsmoke said:

Dipshit sales people... ah yes....   ranger production 24 hours a day yet?

Not gonna happen until the Bronco launches 

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32 minutes ago, blwnsmoke said:

Right over your head lol

Lol apparently. I'm 2 9% imperial stouts deeep right now. 

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On 3/16/2019 at 4:34 AM, rperez817 said:

akirby, if you want believe "GM and Jaguar never do anything wrong" go right ahead. You ain't speaking for anyone else including Mr. Perez.

...because akirby was being sarcastic...

 

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I just can't imagine sitting in a board meeting and someone brining this idea up, and not having a conniption. Even when I have to sit down and see a bunch of engineers brag about "Oh we want to do this Texas Turnaround intersection", I'm already at the edge of my seat screaming..."NOOOO, you people do this, so you can get awards, brag to others you designed this but YOUR NOT DRIVING IT!!!"....they need to just STOP and look around instead of green-lighting senseless ideas...and I'm sure WE WONT be the only ones with these comments.  Lets see how the media makes fun of them too. In other good news, at least Lincoln is going back to names...suddenly that's not a bad idea (cough cough Corsair)...

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Cadillac seems to be lost in nomenclatures. "CT5 400" seems very long and unmemorable. It also seems that they want to copy the germans

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I´m old enough to remember Cadillacs with proper names. Everybody knew waht a Cadillac Fleetwood was. Or a Cadillac ElDorado. Or a Cadillac Sedan De Ville...

 

 

Cadillac XT6 440  ....   really???    Really???

 

 

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8 hours ago, RadicalX said:

It also seems that they want to copy the germans

That's been obvious since the first CTS came out....

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1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said:

That's been obvious since the first CTS came out....

And that approach has obviously been failing for well over a decade now...

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