rmc523 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) https://www.gminsidenews.com/articles/cadillac-badge-models-three-number-designation-based-torque/ Quote Cadillac has come up with a fancy new way for onlookers to tell what’s under the hood of the car they’re looking at. Starting with the XT6 400, Cadillacs will get three-digit badges that relate to a particular model’s torque figure. But only relate loosely. Eagle-eyed readers may have noticed that the XT6’s 3.6-liter V6 makes 271 lb-ft of torque, which isn’t 400. That’s because Cadillac is going all metric on us (Steve Carlisle’s Canadian influence, no doubt) and measuring torque in Newton-Meters. And while it’s true that metric is used just about everywhere else on earth, and while other automakers do use Newton-Meters, we don’t, so this is a little annoying. And it still doesn’t tell the full story. Readers who are good at math may have noticed that 271 lb-ft of torque doesn’t add up to 400 Nm. It adds up to something more like 367 Nm, but Cadillac says it’s rounding up to the nearest (higher) 50 Edited March 13, 2019 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Oy... Carlisle isn't wasting any time in leaving an idiotic mark on the former "standard of the world." This guy might make Johan look like a genius. Look at the customers Cadillac should be appealing to as a part of growing their marketshare and taking customers away from competing brands. Now take a look at the people with whom this stupid new designation has a chance of resonating. Those circles don't touch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rmc523 Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 Ugh! You beat me to it by seconds! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grbeck Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 So Cadillac is using a method to measure torque not commonly used in this country, and the resulting nomenclature doesn't even accurately reflect the powertrain's torque. This will turn out well... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 55 minutes ago, grbeck said: So Cadillac is using a method to measure torque not commonly used in this country, and the resulting nomenclature doesn't even accurately reflect the powertrain's torque. This will turn out well... All automotive engineers in the U.S. use Newton-meters for measuring torque. Also, Cadillac's system is one type of "virtual displacement" numbering that all the major luxury car brands use. Main difference is that Cadillac is using max torque as the standard rather than max power. As long as the numbers are used consistently in all Cadillac markets around the world, this system makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellanca Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 When was the last time you’ve seen NM used in a brochure/site—in the US? Sometime never. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Also makes sense with the switch to electric drive-trains over the next 5-10 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DequindreToo Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) Yay, more numbers to go with a bunch of new letters. Will they refer to their vehicles as, for example, CT5-400 (like the BMW 328i)? Edited March 14, 2019 by DequindreToo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 42 minutes ago, DequindreToo said: Yay, more numbers to go with a bunch of new letters. Will they refer to their vehicles as, for example, CT5-400 (like the BMW 328i)? Well it would be just “328i” for the BMW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Handler Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 It must be nice getting paid a lot of money to come up with incredibly stupid ideas with no accountability. Only at GM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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silvrsvt Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 10 hours ago, jasonj80 said: Also makes sense with the switch to electric drive-trains over the next 5-10 years. I still think we are at over 10 years away before electric actually becomes "mainstream" (still hovering around 1-2% total market share), plus there are pently of headwinds for BEVs that are popping up-like the Fed tax credit going away for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 20 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: I still think we are at over 10 years away before electric actually becomes "mainstream" (still hovering around 1-2% total market share), plus there are pently of headwinds for BEVs that are popping up-like the Fed tax credit going away for them. They will become more common just because they will become required, by 2030 years you will see electrics well over 10% of the total market and in some places they could be 30% of all the vehicles sold. California is proposing that 15% of all light duty vehicle and 6% of all Medium duty be electric by 2030, states that have adopted CA emissions (which more and more are doing/debating, Washington State & Colorado being the latest example) will also have those requirements. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 31 minutes ago, jasonj80 said: They will become more common just because they will become required, by 2030 years you will see electrics well over 10% of the total market and in some places they could be 30% of all the vehicles sold. California is proposing that 15% of all light duty vehicle and 6% of all Medium duty be electric by 2030, states that have adopted CA emissions (which more and more are doing/debating, Washington State & Colorado being the latest example) will also have those requirements. Yes sir jasonj80. China, Cadillac's largest market, has a New Energy Vehicle (NEV) mandate that guarantees that electric vehicles will become mainstream there. 10% of the total market this year, 12% in 2020. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfeg Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Reminds me of the 58 Edsel engine designations - The E400 was a 361 FE and the E475 was a 410 MEL, the numbers were the torque ratings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Just now, lfeg said: Reminds me of the 58 Edsel engine designations - The E400 was a 361 FE and the E475 was a 410 MEL, the numbers were the torque ratings. We see how well that worked out.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Sounds like a bunch of nothing really, trying to bloat numbers for under performing vehicles. Just as irrelevant as MB/BMWs number scheme. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 https://jalopnik.com/cadillacs-new-badging-will-give-dealers-the-job-of-expl-1833289508 I found this amusing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgeh Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Well, the domestic market *did* eventually make the transition to liter designations for displacement, so the concept might not be so bad (but certainly somewhat premature). I notice, however, that they don't plan to actually display the metric torque number, but an "averaging up" of up to 50 from the actual number. 50 is a lot!. And the naming scheme? XT6400? At least old McDonald's farm had a tune that made EIEIO a little easier to remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 I predict less than a year before they change it. Although I bet the majority of car buyers don’t understand lb/ft either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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