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2 hours ago, atomcat68 said:

I guess the take away from this may be that it is small and more true to the original Bronco than the "OJ" Bronco. This makes me happier. 

After all, if they had to cut that much off a Ranger, to get this mule to fit, it has to be somewhat small.

I said it 2 years ago on here.. it is styled after the 1973 Bronco and was a 2 door at the time.

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1 minute ago, blwnsmoke said:

I said it 2 years ago on here.. it is styled after the 1973 Bronco and was a 2 door at the time.

I can confirm that is still the case

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Just now, fuzzymoomoo said:

I can confirm that is still the case

I cant wait to see a modernized 1973.. I think it will look fantastic.

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23 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said:

I can confirm that is still the case

Ford even said so, although I can’t remember the exact quote.

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26 minutes ago, akirby said:

Ford even said so, although I can’t remember the exact quote.

They confirmed the 2 door. I don't remember them ever officially saying they were using the 73 as the inspiration for the design. 

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46 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said:

They confirmed the 2 door. I don't remember them ever officially saying they were using the 73 as the inspiration for the design. 

I remember it being said, but I don't recall by whom, although it was someone fairly senior at Ford. It was in an article about his early Bronco.

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They have a lisencing  agreement with Gateway Bronco  to produce new 1973 bodies with modern 5.0 Coyote drive train

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1 hour ago, akirby said:

Ford even said so, although I can’t remember the exact quote.

It helps when Ford's Design Chief, Moray Callum, rides around in a 1976 Bronco.

https://www.autonews.com/article/20170116/OEM04/301169960/moray-callum-s-retro-ride

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3 hours ago, silvrsvt said:

The F-series based one was the size of an Escape.

Maybe in wheelbase and overall length, but the Escape is nowhere near as big as the late model Broncos in any other dimension. With a front bench seat, the Bronco seated six comfortably; I was over 6' tall and still rode comfortably in the back seat with my brother and sister, even on long trips. I'm not sure I could ride comfortably in the back seat of an Escape on a crosstown trip.

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So the chassis mule we're seeing is the four door..

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14 minutes ago, SoonerLS said:

Maybe in wheelbase and overall length, but the Escape is nowhere near as big as the late model Broncos in any other dimension. With a front bench seat, the Bronco seated six comfortably; I was over 6' tall and still rode comfortably in the back seat with my brother and sister, even on long trips. I'm not sure I could ride comfortably in the back seat of an Escape on a crosstown trip.

I'm 5'11" and I did it in a 30 minute trip to downtown Detroit once. It was manageable but I don't think I could do more than an hour without needing to stretch. 

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59 minutes ago, jpd80 said:

So the chassis mule we're seeing is the four door..

I was under the impression they both ride on the same length frame...

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Disregard the body completely, this is a mule.  IFS for sure, and I'll bet IRS as well.  

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1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said:

I was under the impression they both ride on the same length frame...

Wheelbases are different......

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1 hour ago, 7Mary3 said:

Disregard the body completely, this is a mule.  IFS for sure, and I'll bet IRS as well.  

Watts Link is more rugged for off road work and already found in Everest and Ranger Raptor. I think they will stick to what they know..

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1 hour ago, jpd80 said:

Watts Link is more rugged for off road work and already found in Everest and Ranger Raptor. I think they will stick to what they know..

That was my first guess, but looking at the lengths Ford went to to camouflage the rear suspension I think they are hiding something new.  

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10 minutes ago, 7Mary3 said:

That was my first guess, but looking at the lengths Ford went to to camouflage the rear suspension I think they are hiding something new.  

Time will tell, actual bodies shouldn't be too far away if the tooling prove out goes well..

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Remind me.......is this a '21MY vehicle? 

From my ringside seat (and this is based on me purely watching the development of Mustangs over the years).....normally we'd see these hacked up mules at least 18 (and up to 24?) months prior to the car being launched. Prototypes are usually spotted (with heavy camo) at least 12 months out with camo-wrapped prototypes at least 6 months prior to launch.......and THEN there's normally a 6 month wait for production.

Which to me means this would be more like a '22MY vehicle

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December 2020, no second shift at MAP until then.

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After having seen the mule vehicle in photos, it is concluded that the development is in the very early stages. It seems that it is a  2023 or 2024 model year  ...

 

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10 minutes ago, jpd80 said:

December 2020, no second shift at MAP until then.

No second shift at MAP Final. Body and Paint are on 2 shifts now. 

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Just now, falconlover 1 said:

After having seen the mule vehicle in photos, it is concluded that the development is in the very early stages. It seems that it is a  2023 or 2024 model year  ...

 

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Nope. 2020 launch as a 2021 model. 

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8 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said:

No second shift at MAP Final. Body and Paint are on 2 shifts now. 

So will they just increase line speed when Bronco starts?

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31 minutes ago, jpd80 said:

So will they just increase line speed when Bronco starts?

No, you misunderstood me. You are technically correct when you say MAP stays on 1 shift until the Bronco launches, but that only applies to Final Assembly. Body and Paint have been on 2 shifts since "full" Ranger production began in December and it will stay that way indefinitely as far as I've heard. 

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That's pretty aggressive development timescales......but I know Ford now use a lot of computer modelling to reduce the amount of time spent building/driving mules/prototypes, so perhaps that will be reflected in seeing such mules later than normal.

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