rperez817 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 16 hours ago, AGR said: Nope, batteries are getting cheaper, not more expensive: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiFh53MzP3fAhXM64MKHQZYDmkQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fdriving.ca%2Fchevrolet%2Fauto-news%2Fnews%2Felectric-cars-will-soon-be-cheaper-to-make-than-gas-cars-battery-maker&psig=AOvVaw1FRYL7Wx-RhVNNreey0lvR&ust=1548116253658010 Thank you AGR sir. Lots of research going on with battery chemistry as well as production process technology. That should reduce battery costs. Toyota Research Institute is working with University of Houston on magnesium batteries with chloride free electrolytes. Magnesium is more abundant and less expensive than lithium. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2542435118305713?via%3Dihub " Magnesium batteries could offer high energy density and safety due to the non-dendritic Mg metal anode. However, Mg2+ ingress into and diffusion within cathode materials are kinetically sluggish. It is therefore intriguing that recently organic cathodes were shown to deliver high energy and power even at room temperature. Herein we reveal that previous organic cathodes likely all operated on a MgCl-storage chemistry sustained by a large amount of electrolyte that significantly reduces cell energy. We then demonstrate Mg batteries featuring a Mg2+-storage chemistry using quinone polymer cathodes, chloride-free electrolytes, and a Mg metal anode. Under lean electrolyte conditions, the Mg2+-storing organic cathodes deliver the same energy while using ~10% of the amount of electrolyte needed for the MgCl-based counterparts. The observed specific energy (up to 243 Whr kg-1), power (up to 3.4 kW kg-1), and cycling stability (up to 87% at 2,500 cycles) of Mg-storage cells consolidate organic polymers as promising cathodes for high-energy Mg batteries." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 35 minutes ago, rmc523 said: I've seen 2 Urus' (Urii?) within the last couple of weeks - one blue (similar to Lightning Blue), and one yellow. They look pretty cool in person. Huracan?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 23 hours ago, Harley Lover said: I see Lentz's comments as self serving for 2 reasons: Toyota plan to continue sales in that segment, therefore it behooves him to toe the company line and predict adequate sales levels going forward. The other reason is Toyota seem to be suspiciously absent in BEV development, so one might infer that Toyota have not strategically bought into the BEV hoopla quite yet, and perhaps plan to continue down the path of hybrids and fuel cell development. Announced today: https://electrek.co/2019/01/21/toyota-panasonic-ev-battery-cell-venture-report/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 19 minutes ago, akirby said: Huracan?? Urus. The SUV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, AGR said: Announced today: https://electrek.co/2019/01/21/toyota-panasonic-ev-battery-cell-venture-report/ That makes Lentz' statement even more of a personal gaffe, and not indicative of what Toyota is actually planning to do with BEV development. Edited January 21, 2019 by rperez817 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Urus. The SUV D’oh! Totally forgot about that. Edited January 21, 2019 by akirby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 On 1/21/2019 at 10:57 AM, fordmantpw said: I once saw a Bentley at a Subway here in our little town of 1200 in nowhere Missouri. I once saw a Rolls Royce parked in a Golden Corral in MD one time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 On 1/22/2019 at 2:45 AM, rperez817 said: Thank you AGR sir. Lots of research going on with battery chemistry as well as production process technology. That should reduce battery costs. Toyota Research Institute is working with University of Houston on magnesium batteries with chloride free electrolytes. Magnesium is more abundant and less expensive than lithium. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2542435118305713?via%3Dihub I'm so glad you brought up that emerging research, maybe it time for a new player to enter the game and make Lithium redundant.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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