Fgts Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/cadillac-ct6-isnt-dead-us Car will continue over upcoming CT5, CT4, the production plant of CT6 will be negotiated over the UAW talks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) Quote Carlisle said production of the car will be part of the company's upcoming negotiations with the UAW, which has opposed the potential plant closures. The current four-year contract between the automaker and union ends in September. ...and who didn't see that one coming?? Mary Barra, "Oooh, CT6 sells poorly in the US so we'll cancel it....BUT....if we can wring concessions from those putzes at over at the UAW, we'll score a huge PR win and DJT will applaud our move!!!" Board: "Smart move Madam Chairwoman!! Huzzah!!" Edited January 14, 2019 by twintornados Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 They got bad press for cancelling the super sedan after they spent so much designing it, and now they're getting some pretty bad vibes so far about the XT6. I think they want to save face a bit by ignoring the CT6 isn't selling. This is a little like, "I meant to do that"... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I don't know what to make of that, but GM was not interested in clearing this up when it was announced which seems...odd. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 2 hours ago, twintornados said: ...and who didn't see that one coming?? Mary Barra, "Oooh, CT6 sells poorly in the US so we'll cancel it....BUT....if we can wring concessions from those putzes at over at the UAW, we'll score a huge PR win and DJT will applaud our move!!!" Board: "Smart move Madam Chairwoman!! Huzzah!!" I think this is the correct take. The next UAW negotiation will be very contentious and GM wanted max leverage going into the talks by saying it will cancel CT6 and Cruze and shutter those plants. I always figured the CT6 cancellation was more of a threat than reality, and that GM will eventually agree to build another model at Lordstown after Cruze ends. This is probably also the reason why Ford hasn't said anything yet about Lincoln's version of MACH E, or what will happen to Continental. They can afford to wait on those things until they know what UAW is going to ask. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Ford isn't going to hold up development for UAW negotiations, I don't believe in that theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Assimilator said: Ford isn't going to hold up development for UAW negotiations, I don't believe in that theory. I can't ever remember a time in my lifetime (30 years) that Ford has done that. That's why Ford isn't usually the first up to the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DequindreToo Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 GM's PR has been awful as of late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Assimilator said: Ford isn't going to hold up development for UAW negotiations, I don't believe in that theory. Being a self appointed know it all doesn't improve your theories either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 14 hours ago, bzcat said: I think this is the correct take. The next UAW negotiation will be very contentious and GM wanted max leverage going into the talks by saying it will cancel CT6 and Cruze and shutter those plants. I always figured the CT6 cancellation was more of a threat than reality, and that GM will eventually agree to build another model at Lordstown after Cruze ends. This is probably also the reason why Ford hasn't said anything yet about Lincoln's version of MACH E, or what will happen to Continental. They can afford to wait on those things until they know what UAW is going to ask. That's the word, Oshawa is the only factory taking the demolition ball, D-Ham and L-town will get small CUVs and PHEV/EVs but don't expect which vehicle will go where until after the negotiation, however the Trax would probably be made in Ohio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I though (according to Mary Barra at least) Trax production in the US was cost prohibitive and 100% out of the question.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, fuzzymoomoo said: I though (according to Mary Barra at least) Trax production in the US was cost prohibitive and 100% out of the question.... Unless she can pound more $$$ out of the UAW line membership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, twintornados said: Unless she can pound more $$$ out of the UAW line membership. All 3 are going to try, I'm 100% sure of that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: All 3 are going to try, I'm 100% sure of that. Yup...got their corporate tax cuts...now to beat up the line worker for more $$$ to <ahem> "enhance investor value" PS: I am thinking the UAW would likely start with FCA since their SUV's and CUV's are flying out of the factory doors right now... Edited January 15, 2019 by twintornados Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 hours ago, twintornados said: Yup...got their corporate tax cuts...now to beat up the line worker for more $$$ to <ahem> "enhance investor value" PS: I am thinking the UAW would likely start with FCA since their SUV's and CUV's are flying out of the factory doors right now... There were issues with FCA in the last negotiations, though - wasn't there bribing or something going on? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, rmc523 said: There were issues with FCA in the last negotiations, though - wasn't there bribing state and local tax forgiveness or something going on? fixed.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, twintornados said: fixed.... No, not fixed He was right, there was a massive scheme between UAW "Leadership" and FCA executives all the way up to Sergio Marchionne himself involving illegal benefits and payouts. It's been all over the local media (Specifically the Detroit News) for the last year. Several UAW reps and FCA executives have been convicted in the scandal and there's rumblings of more to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: No, not fixed He was right, there was a massive scheme between UAW "Leadership" and FCA executives all the way up to Sergio Marchionne himself involving illegal benefits and payouts. It's been all over the local media (Specifically the Detroit News) for the last year. Several UAW reps and FCA executives have been convicted in the scandal and there's rumblings of more to come. This?? https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/chrysler/2018/12/12/fca-uaw-scandal/2290892002/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 17 minutes ago, twintornados said: This?? https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/chrysler/2018/12/12/fca-uaw-scandal/2290892002/ Yep 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, fuzzymoomoo said: Yep That is "just" misappropriations of negotiated funds....not that I am condoning it...but you are correct....used negotiated benefits for members to assuage ranking officials in return for <ahem> favors....ugly indeed!! Ehh, they'll come up with a bribery scheme next round.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 8 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: I though (according to Mary Barra at least) Trax production in the US was cost prohibitive and 100% out of the question.... It will be better than building Sonic or Cruze in the US that's for sure... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 On 1/14/2019 at 3:48 PM, Assimilator said: Ford isn't going to hold up development for UAW negotiations, I don't believe in that theory. They don’t need to hold up development. If they can keep a tight lid on it, then it doesn’t hurt their negotiating position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 18 hours ago, twintornados said: That is "just" misappropriations of negotiated funds....not that I am condoning it...but you are correct....used negotiated benefits for members to assuage ranking officials in return for <ahem> favors....ugly indeed!! Ehh, they'll come up with a bribery scheme next round.... It was flat out bribery - https://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20180827/news/669446/ex-fiat-chrysler-exec-gets-512-years-in-uaw-training-center-bribery Started in 2009. Ford might go first this year, looking at FCA and GM there is way less on the table to slow things up. FCA workers are going to be hard with the previous union leadership now in jail. What will be interesting is the UNIFOR/UAW relationship of late, how would the UAW respond if to keep Lordstown open they were moving the Equinox there in 2021 and closing the plant in Canada where they also have labor (labour) issues there. I can see GM leaving from producing in Canada, even if GM lost 50% of the market share it currently has; volume wise it would be a total of 100,000 units for a year. I don't see they losing 50% and I don't see them really worrying about 100,000 units if they have better cost savings and production efficient moving production elsewhere. Canada is a very expensive place to do business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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