coupe3w Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 It has paddle shifters I'm ok with that. They hint of a manual in the future. Did Jay Leno put his order in yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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akirby Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Saying "it has paddle shifters" or "it has a rotary shift dial" completely ignores the fact that it has a high performance 7 speed DCT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucelinc Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I don't understand the desire for a manual in this car. I totally understand and agree with the fun factor of a manual. Thankfully, one is available on a GT350 or regular Mustang. However, the GT500 is the all-out performance model. Replacing the DCT with a manual would dilute that performance. I love the car but it will be too rich for my blood. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, brucelinc said: I don't understand the desire for a manual in this car. Mostly because people don't understand DCTs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevensecondsuv Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I'm fine with the dct for this model. Like others have said, if you want to row your own, just buy a GT and add boost. Would have really loved a 427 or 429 inch version of the 7.x though. The 5.2L certainly promises to be the fastest mustang yet and will hold it's own with the competition, but it still seems like a bit of a half-measure compared to what a new big block could/would have been. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sevensecondsuv said: but it still seems like a bit of a half-measure compared to what a new big block could/would have been. That's about the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevensecondsuv Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, akirby said: That's about the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. Why? Can't you imagine just how bonkers a modern, supercharged 7.0L engine could be? It's not hard to imagine the possibilities.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 16 minutes ago, Sevensecondsuv said: Why? Can't you imagine just how bonkers a modern, supercharged 7.0L engine could be? It's not hard to imagine the possibilities.... Why? We don''t know anything outside of what the displacement is of it-its designed as a heavy duty truck engine, not a performance engine. Not to mention extra weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevensecondsuv Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: Why? We don''t know anything outside of what the displacement is of it-its designed as a heavy duty truck engine, not a performance engine. Not to mention extra weight. Well obviously they'd have to do an aluminum block version if they were going to put it in any mustang/performance application. It's not like Ford hasn't done this in the past. The Windsors, FE/FTs, 385s, and Mods all saw double duty in truck and performance apps. Edited January 14, 2019 by Sevensecondsuv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Sevensecondsuv said: Well obviously they'd have to do an aluminum block version if they were going to put it in any mustang/performance application. It's not like Ford hasn't done this in the past. The Windsors, FE/FTs, 385s, and Mods all saw double duty in truck and performance apps. That was also in the days where ford didn't give a shit how much in resources they spend on low volume engines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 49 minutes ago, Sevensecondsuv said: I'm fine with the dct for this model. Like others have said, if you want to row your own, just buy a GT and add boost. Would have really loved a 427 or 429 inch version of the 7.x though. The 5.2L certainly promises to be the fastest mustang yet and will hold it's own with the competition, but it still seems like a bit of a half-measure compared to what a new big block could/would have been. Let's save the 7.3L big block for the Ford Racing Cobra Jet version. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Poor Stray Kat, his Official GT500 thread is ................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevensecondsuv Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 37 minutes ago, NLPRacing said: Let's save the 7.3L big block for the Ford Racing Cobra Jet version. Now you're talking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Fun fact via Mike Levine on twitter: The tires weigh more than the wheels 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Sevensecondsuv said: Why? Can't you imagine just how bonkers a modern, supercharged 7.0L engine could be? It's not hard to imagine the possibilities.... There is no way it's a "half measure" even if they did it. Too much weight on the nose. Not sure it would even fit under the hood and you probably wouldn't get any more USEABLE power and it would probably use more fuel to boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevensecondsuv Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, akirby said: Too much weight on the nose. Not sure it would even fit under the hood and you probably wouldn't get any more USEABLE power and it would probably use more fuel to boot. Basically everything good old American Muscle is supposed to be! I get your point, but everyone and his brother already has a 700 hp supercharged coyote mustang. Heck the 700 hp supercharged coyote F150 is getting common. Meanwhile the Mopar boys are routinely exceeding 1000 hp with relatively minor mods to the hellcats. Ford's obvious answer to those statements is that this thing is actually street legal / epa-sactioned. Yes there's also that this is a 5.2 instead of a 5.0, but without the awesome flat plane crank, 0.2L doesn't really differentiate it from the other mustangs very much. I was just hoping to see an engine formula which was a far greater departure from the previous 9 model years of mustangs. It'd also be nice to see Ford finally put an end the displacement disadvantage they've suffered relative to their peers since the mod motor debuted in 1991. Edited January 14, 2019 by Sevensecondsuv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, Sevensecondsuv said: Basically everything good old American Muscle is supposed to be! I get your point, but everyone and his brother already has a 700 hp supercharged coyote mustang. Heck the 700 hp supercharged coyote F150 is getting common. Meanwhile the Mopar boys are routinely exceeding 1000 hp with relatively minor mods to the hellcats. Ford's obvious answer to those statements is that this thing is actually street legal / epa-sactioned. Yes there's also that this is a 5.2 instead of a 5.0, but without the awesome flat plane crank, 0.2L doesn't really differentiate it from the other mustangs very much. I was just hoping to see an engine formula which was a far greater departure from the previous 9 model years of mustangs. It'd also be nice to see Ford finally put an end the displacement disadvantage they've suffered relative to their peers since the mod motor debuted in 1991. Oh for crying out freaking loud! Who gives a $hit about displacement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucelinc Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 That displacement disadvantage is more than made up for by the DOHC 4 valve per cylinder configuration compared to the pushrod 2 valve competition. Camaro SS owners learn that when they line up against a 2018+ 10A Mustang GT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Well, here we go with another model getting rid of the shifter and getting a rotary/dial. I guess we'll have to prepare for the other Mustang models getting a rotary/dial shifter at some point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucelinc Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, ice-capades said: Well, here we go with another model getting rid of the shifter and getting a rotary/dial. I guess we'll have to prepare for the other Mustang models getting a rotary/dial shifter at some point. I could go either way on the shifter but I would like to see them use a rotary dial for the drive modes instead of a toggle.....or at least make the toggle bi-directional. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevensecondsuv Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 42 minutes ago, fordmantpw said: Oh for crying out freaking loud! Who gives a $hit about displacement! To an extent, you're right. A lack of displacement can be offset by boost, better flowing heads, or even nitrous (which we'll obviously never see on a factory anything). We see evidence of this in the factory ratings and 1/4 mile times. But the point stands that the coyote has a lower threshold for max hp before you have to throw crazy money at them than the LSx or Hemi motors do. A major contributor to that fact is the displacement disadvantage. In the end, Ford should be stomping all over their rivals given dohc and 4 valve heads. Instead they settle for something between even and just incrementally better. This new GT500 is what I'd call incrementally better than the ZL1 and Hellcat. I was just hoping for Ford to absolutely throw down the gauntlet with 900+ hp. A new 7.0L dohc aluminum engine sporting a 4+ litre blower would have made those numbers without breaking a sweat and would have been one heck of a statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 The seats look awesome: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 24 minutes ago, Sevensecondsuv said: To an extent, you're right. A lack of displacement can be offset by boost, better flowing heads, or even nitrous (which we'll obviously never see on a factory anything). We see evidence of this in the factory ratings and 1/4 mile times. But the point stands that the coyote has a lower threshold for max hp before you have to throw crazy money at them than the LSx or Hemi motors do. A major contributor to that fact is the displacement disadvantage. In the end, Ford should be stomping all over their rivals given dohc and 4 valve heads. Instead they settle for something between even and just incrementally better. This new GT500 is what I'd call incrementally better than the ZL1 and Hellcat. I was just hoping for Ford to absolutely throw down the gauntlet with 900+ hp. A new 7.0L dohc aluminum engine sporting a 4+ litre blower would have made those numbers without breaking a sweat and would have been one heck of a statement. But what, in reality, is the point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevensecondsuv Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, fordmantpw said: But what, in reality, is the point? True, but then again this is the GT500. One could ask the same question of the vehicle as a whole. Being the top dog in the lineup is the place to make such statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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