7Mary3 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I have a bad feeling about this. Very bad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 19 minutes ago, wildosvt said: I heard he came to MAP today.. I seen a group tour head down flat top after last break. I wasn't able to mean ball em' all like I normally do. LOL Oh god, I wonder what that clown show wanted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Oh god, I wonder what that clown show wanted Showing VW execs where they can build their new Ranger-based pickup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT90SC Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I can't see this as a good thing. Ford has been struggling with quality lately and aligning with VW is definitely NOT going to help that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 13 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Well if you ask Bob Shanks nothing is off the table, including full blown merger Fuzzy, where did you hear that? Not doubting you, just want to find the source. I don't trust anything out of his mouth after his previous foot in mouth episodes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgeh Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 18 hours ago, mackinaw said: If you're an investor, buy Ford stock now. I expect Wall Street will view any cooperation between the two automakers favorably. I meant to buy more last week when it dipped below $8. As of yesterday: 8.72 USD +0.36 (4.24%) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Thousands of job cuts.....yea that will boost stock price.......i think the end game is ford badged product running down vw lines... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Harley Lover said: Fuzzy, where did you hear that? Not doubting you, just want to find the source. I don't trust anything out of his mouth after his previous foot in mouth episodes. Man, I'm going to have to do some digging to find it but I literally read it yesterday in one of the articles about the announcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Man, I'm going to have to do some digging to find it but I literally read it yesterday in one of the articles about the announcement. In the Free Press. Their writer included something that Bob Shanks said many months back when the rumors first surfaced of a possible Ford VW cooperative venture. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, mackinaw said: In the Free Press. Their writer included something that Bob Shanks said many months back when the rumors first surfaced of a possible Ford VW cooperative venture. I am not overly surprised by this.....there are historical ties between the 2....but dam i hope it never happens...i also just do not see what or why VW would want anything to do with the ranger...makes no sense Edited January 10, 2019 by snooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, snooter said: I am not overly surprised by this.....there are historical ties between the 2....but dam i hope it never happens... Sure, Henry Ford had received the Grand Cross of the German Eagle presented by two Nazi Germany diplomats from Der Fuehrer himself for his 75th birthday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Maybe the family is getting ready to cash out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 44 minutes ago, J-150 said: Maybe the family is getting ready to cash out. That would guarantee I never buy a new Ford ever again 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 29 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: That would guarantee I never buy a new Ford ever again I find it hard to believe they'd do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 On 1/9/2019 at 1:50 PM, fuzzymoomoo said: Still not a huge fan of potentially building Volkswagens, and I know I'm not the only one.... I was loosely involved in the last VW/Ford JV (Autolatina). Ford got screwed BIG TIME ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 35 minutes ago, theoldwizard said: I was loosely involved in the last VW/Ford JV (Autolatina). Ford got screwed BIG TIME ! That seems to be how Ford ends up in all of the JV's (except Mazda). Look at the recent Transmission one, GM is using the 10 speed, Ford isn't using the 9 speed. Reviews rave how great the 10 speed is, and how crappy the 9 speed is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.I. Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Ford have underutilized plants in America and Europe and VW need more capacity. That is the key of the deal. The other is the difficult to export vehicles between america and China because the tariff. VW and Ford can share plants in both countries and produce the vehicles thay need. Of course, both companies need to share platforms and some parts to make easy this plan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, theoldwizard said: I was loosely involved in the last VW/Ford JV (Autolatina). Ford got screwed BIG TIME ! You realize that was 24 years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, jasonj80 said: That seems to be how Ford ends up in all of the JV's (except Mazda). Look at the recent Transmission one, GM is using the 10 speed, Ford isn't using the 9 speed. Reviews rave how great the 10 speed is, and how crappy the 9 speed is. I think you have your gears off. In the FWD joint venture, a 9 speed was made. Ford decided they could accomplish the same goes on that trans even with dropping a gear down to 8. I don't think Ford has put any of their vehicles into production yet on the 8 speed FWD architecture. So there hasn't been any bitching on a product that hasn't been released. On the 10 speed RWD application, Ford has released far more transmissions in the F150 that GM has. No one is bitching about either trans. Most reviewers are giving Ford good reviews on the F150 trans and Mustang trans. So I'm not sure where you're getting the "crappy" remarks from. I'd love to see any links you have to that as I haven't read them. EDIT: I see the Edge has the 8 speed now. But still haven't read anyone complaining. Edited January 11, 2019 by 92merc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 No complaints yet on the JV 8 speed but it is worth noting that the 8 speed FWD/AWD tranny in the Edge ST and Nautilus 2.7L is not the same transmission. Apparently it's a modified 6F50/55. Ford hasn't been forthcoming with much information on it though and they seem to be downplaying it. But you are correct that Ford modified the JV 9 speed to be 8 speeds. It's still based on the JV design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, falconlover 1 said: Ford have underutilized plants in America and Europe and VW need more capacity. That is the key of the deal. The other is the difficult to export vehicles between america and China because the tariff. VW and Ford can share plants in both countries and produce the vehicles thay need. Of course, both companies need to share platforms and some parts to make easy this plan. In North America yes. In China not possible. Neither Ford nor VW own any plants in China so they cannot produce vehicles for each other. This pending announcement is all about Ford rebadging VW models and vice versa in Europe and also aligning future platform and drivertrain (including electric) development. South America may also be part of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 The latest from today's Detroit News: "Ford Motor Co. and Volkswagen AG are planning to partner on the joint production of commercial pickups as the automakers continue their broad-ranging discussions on global partnership. Volkswagen's governing supervisory board approved a piece of the partnership Friday in a board meeting in Germany, according to two sources with knowledge of the situation. The automakers are expected to offer details Tuesday on parts of their agreement — and what they are continuing to discuss — during the Detroit auto show, the sources said. Ford is a leading manufacturer of pickups in the U.S., producing the perennially best-selling F-150 and Super Duty pickups. Through its commercial vehicles division, VW has a slow-selling Amarok pickup in Europe. The partnership to develop pickups would allow Ford to expand its commercial vehicle lineup in Europe, and give VW a stronger model in its lineup. It was unclear Friday if a jointly developed commercial truck would be offered for sale outside of Europe." https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2019/01/11/ford-volkswagen-commercial-vehicle-partnership-detroit-auto-show/2549100002/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 It's Trucks! The Amarok is a tough truck. Not sure what this all means but I can wait till Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) Agreement was Ford lead design the 10 speed RWD, GM lead design the 9 speed FWD. Ford saw the design and we have 8 speed updated version of the old transmission. GM got a great designed 10 speed, Ford got ? Edited January 12, 2019 by jasonj80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgeh Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, jasonj80 said: Agreement was Ford lead design the 10 speed RWD, GM lead design the 9 speed FWD. Ford saw the design and we have 8 speed updated version of the old transmission. GM got a great designed 10 speed, Ford got ? It is a little confusing about the 8-speeds Ford is using. There are actually two, currently used with different engines. At least in the Nautilus, Edge and Transit (if I remember correctly). In the Nautilus, the base 2.0 engine comes with the joint-venture new 9-speed that Ford modified to reduce it to 8. The upgrade 2.7 engine comes with a modified 8-speed version of the 6-speed that Ford/Lincoln have used for a number of years now (also, originally, the product of a joint venture with GM). Ford optimized one for higher-performance engines like the 2.7 and the other for engines like the 2.0. I'm linking below a fascinating news article from last spring going into the details on this. https://www.autonews.com/article/20180423/OEM01/180429934/no-thanks-ford-says-to-9-speed-offered-by-gm Edited January 12, 2019 by Gurgeh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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