silvrsvt Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 20 minutes ago, rperez817 said: No investor or media outlet needs publicly released monthly sales data from automakers. It's a total waste of time and effort. Its more or less a relic of the 1960s to prove one upmanship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Anything outside of yearly reporting is really a waste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 48 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: Its more or less a relic of the 1960s to prove one upmanship Monthly sales reporting in the U.S. auto market actually goes back to the 1990s. Chrysler Corporation was the first to do it, in 1991. All the other automakers followed the monthly approach by the mid 1990s. Prior to Chrysler's action in 1991, it was customary to report auto sales every 10 days. NYT times said the following. https://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/01/business/10-day-sales-chrysler-won-t-tell.html "The 10-day report compiling dealers' sales was invented in the 1920's by Alfred P. Sloan Jr., the longtime chairman of General Motors, and his colleagues as a response to a lack of information about sales and inventory that had nearly caused GM to collapse. Other auto makers followed G.M. and the 10-day number grew into a reporting convention." Tesla was the first major automaker to do quarterly sales reporting to media and investors in the 2000s. The other two U.S. domestic automakers started doing this more recently. GM in 2017, and Ford in 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, rperez817 said: Monthly sales reporting in the U.S. auto market actually goes back to the 1990s. Chrysler Corporation was the first to do it, in 1991. All the other automakers followed the monthly approach by the mid 1990s. Prior to Chrysler's action in 1991, it was customary to report auto sales every 10 days. NYT times said the following. https://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/01/business/10-day-sales-chrysler-won-t-tell.html Tesla was the first major automaker to do quarterly sales reporting to media and investors in the 2000s. The other two U.S. domestic automakers started doing this more recently. GM in 2017, and Ford in 2019. We need a definition for "major". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 On 1/3/2019 at 11:23 PM, rperez817 said: All 3 major U.S. domestic automakers will now do quarterly sales reporting. I bet the foreign automakers will join the club in 2019. FCA is the first foreign automaker announcing that it will do quarterly sales reporting in the U.S., starting in Q3 2019. https://www.autonews.com/sales/fca-shift-quarterly-sales-reports-us-and-canada 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Did we miss April sales results though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgeh Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 11 hours ago, ANTAUS said: Did we miss April sales results though? They are finally up at carsalesbase.com. Separate listings for Ford and Lincoln. See: http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/ford/ http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/lincoln/ Sales of both are down (as is the case for car sales in general). I see that Lincoln numbers are softening considerably, turning around one of Ford's recent positive sales stories. My guess is this is in part due to a sales pause in advance of Aviator hitting the streets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 Yeah but RMC breaks it down and makes it purdy for us to understand, we are now spoiled...? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 C-Max 3 Fiesta 6,697 Focus 953 Fusion 14,850 GT 20 Mustang 8,020 Taurus 1,367 Total Ford car 31,910 E-series van 4,731 EcoSport 5,921 Edge 8,658 Escape 20,487 Expedition 7,961 Explorer 12,923 F series 70,006 Flex 1,447 Ranger 5,748 Transit 13,415 Transit Connect 3,026 Total Ford truck 154,323 Total Ford 186,233 Continental 379 MKZ 1,414 Total Lincoln car 1,793 MKC 1,729 MKT 434 Nautilus/MKX 2,530 Navigator 1,500 Total Lincoln truck 6,193 Total Lincoln 7,986 Ford Motor Co. car 33,703 Ford Motor Co. truck 160,516 FORD MOTOR CO. 194,219 Cascada 260 LaCrosse 1,010 Regal 1,186 Verano 1 Total Buick car 2,457 Enclave 4,378 Encore 8,562 Envision 2,653 Total Buick truck 15,593 Total Buick 18,050 ATS 182 CT6 761 CTS 845 XTS 1,299 Total Cadillac car 3,087 Escalade 1,495 Escalade ESV 878 SRX 0 XT4 2,445 XT5 4,620 Total Cadillac truck 9,438 Total Cadillac 12,525 Bolt 1,502 Camaro 4,205 Caprice 1 Corvette 1,372 Cruze 8,112 Impala 4,614 Malibu 11,900 Sonic 1,552 Spark 2,235 SS 0 Volt 877 Total Chevrolet car 36,370 Blazer 1,052 City Express 228 Colorado 11,655 Equinox 30,796 Express van 5,991 Silverado 39,779 Suburban 3,838 Tahoe 7,256 Traverse 11,909 Trax 8,553 Total Chevrolet truck 121,057 Total Chevrolet 157,427 Acadia 10,857 Canyon 2,420 Savana van 2,285 Sierra 14,109 Terrain 8,826 Yukon 2,497 Yukon XL 2,705 Total GMC truck 43,699 General Motors car 41,914 General Motors truck 189,787 GENERAL MOTORS* 231,701 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadicalX Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 4 hours ago, jpd80 said: C-Max 3 Fiesta 6,697 Focus 953 Fusion 14,850 GT 20 Mustang 8,020 Taurus 1,367 Total Ford car 31,910 E-series van 4,731 EcoSport 5,921 Edge 8,658 Escape 20,487 Expedition 7,961 Explorer 12,923 F series 70,006 Flex 1,447 Ranger 5,748 Transit 13,415 Transit Connect 3,026 Total Ford truck 154,323 Total Ford 186,233 Continental 379 MKZ 1,414 Total Lincoln car 1,793 MKC 1,729 MKT 434 Nautilus/MKX 2,530 Navigator 1,500 Total Lincoln truck 6,193 Total Lincoln 7,986 Ford Motor Co. car 33,703 Ford Motor Co. truck 160,516 FORD MOTOR CO. 194,219 Cascada 260 LaCrosse 1,010 Regal 1,186 Verano 1 Total Buick car 2,457 Enclave 4,378 Encore 8,562 Envision 2,653 Total Buick truck 15,593 Total Buick 18,050 ATS 182 CT6 761 CTS 845 XTS 1,299 Total Cadillac car 3,087 Escalade 1,495 Escalade ESV 878 SRX 0 XT4 2,445 XT5 4,620 Total Cadillac truck 9,438 Total Cadillac 12,525 Bolt 1,502 Camaro 4,205 Caprice 1 Corvette 1,372 Cruze 8,112 Impala 4,614 Malibu 11,900 Sonic 1,552 Spark 2,235 SS 0 Volt 877 Total Chevrolet car 36,370 Blazer 1,052 City Express 228 Colorado 11,655 Equinox 30,796 Express van 5,991 Silverado 39,779 Suburban 3,838 Tahoe 7,256 Traverse 11,909 Trax 8,553 Total Chevrolet truck 121,057 Total Chevrolet 157,427 Acadia 10,857 Canyon 2,420 Savana van 2,285 Sierra 14,109 Terrain 8,826 Yukon 2,497 Yukon XL 2,705 Total GMC truck 43,699 General Motors car 41,914 General Motors truck 189,787 GENERAL MOTORS* 231,701 MKZ is a great success, which has no attention from Lincoln. ATS has never succeeded, CTS neither the MKZ sales. Lincoln Continental is a failure. The MKZ should have a successor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 Continental is a prime example of right car at the wrong time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 1 hour ago, RadicalX said: MKZ is a great success, which has no attention from Lincoln. ATS has never succeeded, CTS neither the MKZ sales. Lincoln Continental is a failure. The MKZ should have a successor The continental is just missing something. I saw a beautiful white black label last week driving. It’s just missing a little something. I think marketing would be a start. The Escalade isn’t that good. Neither is the 300. But they have a social stigma. The continental needs some attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadicalX Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, fordtech1 said: The continental is just missing something. I saw a beautiful white black label last week driving. It’s just missing a little something. I think marketing would be a start. The Escalade isn’t that good. Neither is the 300. But they have a social stigma. The continental needs some attention. Pay attention to what does not give return or pay attention to the sedan that accumulates almost 1500 sales? If the MKZ had the interior of the Aviator and a renewed rear would be unbeatable. MKZ is a car that you want to die, but it insists on surviving, while the Continental you invest and does not generate any favorable results Edited May 6, 2019 by RadicalX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadicalX Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 I follow the Continental's sales since the premiere and the model has even gone from 1500 units a month. While the MKZ, which has decade of history and was once the best seller of Lincoln dies at a minimum, showing still potential. If the Cadillac had the MKZ, I wouldn't neglect it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 What's up with the Ranger? We are nearly 6 months in and sales appear to be sluggish compared to the Taco and Colorado. I live in the land of every millennial with a job and mediocre credit score buying a new Truck or Jeep- I have only seen 4 Rangers and two were rentals! Even with the limited early production numbers Fuzzy has been providing - the math says they are not selling nearly as many as they are building, not nearly at the pace of the 120k per year we heard about as the target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Kev-Mo said: We are nearly 6 months in No we aren't. They only just started shipping the week before Christmas. January was the first full month on sale. That 120k number I threw out a year ago was a forecast. No telling what estimates are right now. Edited May 6, 2019 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 37 minutes ago, Kev-Mo said: Even with the limited early production numbers Fuzzy has been providing - the math says they are not selling nearly as many as they are building, not nearly at the pace of the 120k per year we heard about as the target. I still haven't seen any in my area-and its not like there isn't 1 million plus potential buyers in my area either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said: No telling what estimates are right now. I had such high hopes for Ford on this one. I would say it is somewhat obvious this is not selling like we hoped it would. As of today I have seen half as many Jeep Gladiators on the road as Rangers...Don't think the Jeeps were rentals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said: No we aren't. They only just started shipping the week before Christmas. January was the first full month on sale. That 120k number I threw out a year ago was a forecast. No telling what estimates are right now. 5700 sales in April - that's about 1/2 to 2/3 of what you are building - no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, ANTAUS said: Yeah but RMC breaks it down and makes it purdy for us to understand, we are now spoiled...? Ha, sorry! I have them all pretty, I can post it here or in its own thread if we want? Edited May 6, 2019 by rmc523 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 And for fun, GM numbers: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadicalX Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, rmc523 said: And for fun, GM numbers: XT5 and Escalade hold the whole Cadillac. Chevy crossovers and Camaro are going well. GMC is only with the growing Acadia and Buick is as strong with crossovers as Chevrolet. Strange is to notice the Buick Regal selling well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 GM has to be concerned with the sales of the BOF SUV's from a plant perspective. Even at the profit they generate sales of 200K for an assembly plant is not good plant utilization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, jasonj80 said: GM has to be concerned with the sales of the BOF SUV's from a plant perspective. Even at the profit they generate sales of 200K for an assembly plant is not good plant utilization. Also losing 15% of your full sized truck market share doesn't help either 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: Also losing 15% of your full sized truck market share doesn't help either Their spin on that is they’re still ramping up production and not all configurations are available yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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