Ovaltine Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) Although I know that the mixing of the words Ford, two-door, and sedans is now passe', I can STILL dream about a modern rendition/take on the old "Squarebird "Thunderbird design, can't I?!? My first car at the age of 16 was a '72 T-Bird with a 429 4bbl w/dual exhaust. I sure would like to be able to purchase a modern/safe version of a similar car someday! The problem with the previous attempt at retro with the T-Bird was the two-seater concept - IMHO. It just wasn't convenient enough. A kicka** styled new car that can hold (at least) 4 comfortably would be bound to appeal to a larger segment than that one did. Methinks that a stretched S550/Mustang chassis would do the trick, right? Again - I know I'm just dreamin', but it's a nice one. ? -Ovaltine Edited December 6, 2018 by Ovaltine 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehaase Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 I would love a new Thunderbird but Ford couldn't sell more than 6,000 per year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 A shortened 2 seat Mustang with a 500HP 3.5EB, seven or eight speed dual-clutch automatic transmission and retractable hardtop would make a pretty sweet Thunderbird. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 I'm old enough to remember how disappointed we all were when the Squarebird was introduced. It may have sold like hot cakes, but what a letdown from the original two-seat Thunderbird. The original T-Bird was cool. The Squarebird was not. I doubt it will ever happen, but I love to see a new T-Bird introduced. If you're speaking four-seaters, I'm fan of the '61-'63 Bullet Bird, a beautifully styled car. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovaltine Posted December 7, 2018 Author Share Posted December 7, 2018 10 minutes ago, mackinaw said: I'm old enough to remember how disappointed we all were when the Squarebird was introduced. It may have sold like hot cakes, but what a letdown from the original two-seat Thunderbird. The original T-Bird was cool. The Squarebird was not. I doubt it will ever happen, but I love to see a new T-Bird introduced. If you're speaking four-seaters, I'm fan of the '61-'63 Bullet Bird, a beautifully styled car. Fair enough on which 4-seat model to emulate - beauty is in the eye of the beholder. ? But the last 2-seat model kind of had that early 60's streamlined vibe, mixed with the '55-57 footprint, so that would kind of be a "been there, done that" approach. Having NOT lived through the 1st Gen 'Birds, I picked the Squarebirds as the inspiration, due to the noticeable bada** vibe they put out - ala' the Gangsta' vibe that the Chrysler 300 reboot initially purveyed. It was that vibe that SOLD that original 300 reboot, to be sure - IMHO. -Ovaltine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Ovaltine said: Fair enough on which 4-seat model to emulate - beauty is in the eye of the beholder. ? But the last 2-seat model kind of had that early 60's streamlined vibe, mixed with the '55-57 footprint, so that would kind of be a "been there, done that" approach. Having NOT lived through the 1st Gen 'Birds, I picked the Squarebirds as the inspiration, due to the noticeable bada** vibe they put out - ala' the Gangsta' vibe that the Chrysler 300 reboot initially purveyed. It was that vibe that SOLD that original 300 reboot, to be sure - IMHO. -Ovaltine I’ve told this story before. I lived in Dearborn when I was a kid and my dad was a engineer who worked at Ford. He was given a “company car” to drive back-and-forth to work in. Back in the summer of 1957, he brought home a two-seat T-Bird for the weekend. EVERYBODY on the block came by for a look and for a test drive. Even the few GM and Chrysler engineers in the area came by for a look. This car, especially with the top down, was a sensation. Briefly, for one weekend, I was the coolest kid on the block. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailhiker Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 The current Mustang is a go between for what I think many people want. It is not small and light enough to satisfy the 1st gen T-Bird lovers, yet not bold and spacious enough for the Square Bird and beyond fans. Best case scenario (wish list), would be that we get one of each. The smaller would have to be comparable in price/performance to Miata (whatever they call it now), but easy for the aftermarket to upgrade. The the larger would need to be an aggressive two-door sedan (no coupe styling), more geared toward luxury and V8 power, and priced about 10K above Mustang GT. It would be a toss up as to which got the Thunderbird name. Then again, one could be called T-Bird, while the other got the whole name! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSchicago Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Thunderbird should be a larger 4 seater. The 2 seat birds never sold well, even the retro birds. Being that the Mustang is 2 doors, the Tbird should be 4, preferably with Suicide or "coach" doors. Keep the Mustang drivelines intact, and you have a winning sedan. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 1 hour ago, LSchicago said: Thunderbird should be a larger 4 seater. The 2 seat birds never sold well, even the retro birds. Being that the Mustang is 2 doors, the Tbird should be 4, preferably with Suicide or "coach" doors. Keep the Mustang drivelines intact, and you have a winning sedan. Personally, I would like to see the name "Torino" attached to the vehicle that you just described. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSchicago Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 On 12/26/2018 at 10:53 AM, NLPRacing said: Personally, I would like to see the name "Torino" attached to the vehicle that you just described. Nothing wrong with that either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 (edited) I'll take "How to do business in 1960" for 100, Alex. Edited December 27, 2018 by Assimilator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 I’m all for using names that have a history and meaning. But IMO thunderbird doesn’t resonate with new car buyers. It’s right up there with Monte Carlo. Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t see young folks buying that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 hour ago, fordtech1 said: I’m all for using names that have a history and meaning. But IMO thunderbird doesn’t resonate with new car buyers. It’s right up there with Monte Carlo. Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t see young folks buying that. I agree. I wonder if the market for the T-Bird has come and gone. I’d love to see a 2-seater, but I got to believe making a business case for a 2-seater would be difficult. As for a 4-seater, you stick four doors on it, and you have another sedan which, seemingly, fewer and fewer buyers want every year. And a 2-door coupe? That would be my choice, but they’d sell even less. But I hate to see the Thunderbird name die. Such a rich nameplate, with great memories for those who grew up in the 50’s and 60’s. The original ’55-’57 2-seater, the ’58-’60 Squarebirds, the ’61-’63 Bullet Birds, the ’64-’66 Flair Birds, and the ’67-’69 Glamour Birds, all featured expressive, unique styling. By the 70’s, the T-Bird lost its identity and unique styling, and became nothing more than one more big Ford. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovaltine Posted December 29, 2018 Author Share Posted December 29, 2018 As to the "...but Ford couldn't sell more than 6,000 per year" prediction above, check out THIS set of stats about another old "dinosaur" in our midst: ? Since 2013, those sales are near or surpassing 10x that prediction! What's FCA's secret then? (I'm sure it has SOMETHING to do with 4 letters starting with an H and ending in an I. LOL) Dodge Challenger http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/dodge/dodge-challenger/ 2017 64,537 2016 64,478 2015 66,365 2014 51,611 2013 51,462 2012 43,119 2011 39,534 2010 36,791 2009 25,852 2008 17,423 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 (edited) Mustang still dwarfs those sales, and with far less incentive spend. Challenger, like nearly all FCA products, has a standalone customers very unique to them. Ford can't respond by copying what they do. Ford is already doing better with Mustang either way, there's nothing to shoot for that won't cost way more to do than FCA spends on their ancient Challenger. As for Thunderbird, there's no question that segment died well before the Thunderbird itself did, so I'm not sure how you resurrect it without moving it to another type of product. It would only make sense if the brand equity and awareness of the name helped to sell the car it's attached to. The opportunity could be out there in a form factor we can't envision yet. Edited December 29, 2018 by Assimilator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 27 minutes ago, Assimilator said: As for Thunderbird, there's no question that segment died well before the Thunderbird itself did, so I'm not sure how you resurrect it without moving it to another type of product. It would only make sense if the brand equity and awareness of the name helped to sell the car it's attached to. The opportunity could be out there in a form factor we can't envision yet. That's an intriguing thought. I have no idea what a new form factor would be, but it would have to be something that justified the name Thunderbird. Hope it happens, it'd be a pity to let the name die. Even people not familiar with cars usually know what a Thunderbird is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovaltine Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) Heard this iconic tune by homeboy Bob Seger on Detroit's WCSX this morning, and it resonated with the sentiments I had when I created this post/thread. Needless to say, that I'm STILL hopin' that someday Ford will be "Makin' Thunderbirds" again! ? Edited February 13, 2019 by Ovaltine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baylensman Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Maybe they could rebid the new mach with a shorter trunk and add a second set of doors with a Tbird front end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 "...if there's a God in heaven, he's got a silver Thunderbird..." Love the Seger classic too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dm335 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 I’ve been a fan of Thunderbirds as long as I can remember. Even in the dark days of the boxy 80-82 model, a Thunderbird always had a combination of class and power that was attainable and aspirational. Opinions may differ on which models were the best, but a Thunderbird was always a desirable choice for many. Sad as it may seem, today cars are not as wanted as crossovers and SUVs. As much as I have envisioned a rebirth of the Thunderbird as a Taurus-based coupe or a stretched Mustang, those would not be desired by today’s customers. A Thunderbird for today’s market should probably be a fastback-styled crossover based on the Explorer. It would be Ford’s equivalent of the BMW X4 or X6. Traditional styling features like a chrome grille, full-width taillights and the bird emblems should be included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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