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46 minutes ago, silvrsvt said:

 

But yet they drove like an old wornout sofa...

 

 

And the last time you drove one was....?

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Let’s get back on topic please.

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Back on topic please.  

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OK My prediction for Ranger will be start out slow around 2k in first month but then go to around 12k-14K in the peak driving season and then back to 10K about this time next year

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1 hour ago, jpd80 said:

OK My prediction for Ranger will be start out slow around 2k in first month but then go to around 12k-14K in the peak driving season and then back to 10K about this time next year

probably close to reality as our initial allocation was abysmal...read ONE stock unit. Hopefully once production ramps up, so will the numbers...

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So we'll actually be able to choose a Jeep Gladiator before having a decent selection of a Ranger?

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2 hours ago, Deanh said:

probably close to reality as our initial allocation was abysmal...read ONE stock unit. Hopefully once production ramps up, so will the numbers...

Its going to be a while... 

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4 hours ago, Kev-Mo said:

So we'll actually be able to choose a Jeep Gladiator before having a decent selection of a Ranger?

 

When is the Gladiator launching? The Ranger is less then 60 days out, but I'm gonna assume there isn't going to be alot of stock till late spring/early summer.

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17 hours ago, silvrsvt said:

 

When is the Gladiator launching? The Ranger is less then 60 days out, but I'm gonna assume there isn't going to be alot of stock till late spring/early summer.

My point is:  Why can Jeep make as much as they can sell, but all these Ford models that customers might actually want are 'capacity constrained'? 

Jeep Wrangle responded to 30+% increase in sales without even a hiccup!  Seems like you can get any configuration in any color you want as long as you can pay for it...

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1 minute ago, Kev-Mo said:

My point is:  Why can Jeep make as much as they can sell, but all these Ford models that customers might actually want are 'capacity constrained'? 

Jeep Wrangle responded to 30+% increase in sales without even a hiccup!  Seems like you can get any configuration in any color you want as long as you can pay for it...

To avoid this:

New Jeep Wrangler Frame Welds are Failing and Now FCA Is Issuing a Recall [Updated]

https://jalopnik.com/new-jeep-wrangler-frame-welds-are-failing-and-now-fca-i-1829551649

Not to mention the Wrangler has been in production for years and already went through its ramp up process awhile back while the old plant was winded down.

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9 hours ago, ANTAUS said:

And that was due to the lack of collision braking system-I'm not sure if the Ranger has that either?

 

And here we thought that our Insurance testing agencys where bad-well they are but they don't give out 0-1 star ratings over missing electronic do-dads.

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As to an initial sales projection, just curious-how did the "Canyonrados" do initially?  Whatever their number was I would bet the Ranger would beat that.  If for no other reason than the Ranger was out of production for so long vs. the small GM's and there is/should be a much greater pool of buyers waiting for the new truck-I hope😊

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6 hours ago, silvrsvt said:

And that was due to the lack of collision braking system-I'm not sure if the Ranger has that either?

 

And here we thought that our Insurance testing agencys where bad-well they are but they don't give out 0-1 star ratings over missing electronic do-dads.

Ford Ranger was last tested in 2012 and it received a 5 star and reaffirmed in a review (but not full test) in 2016. The new one hasn't been tested.

https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/ford/ranger/10926

Wrangler's poor rating is largely due to the poor occupant crash protection, not the lack of auto brake assist. With brake assist, it would have scored a 2 star... still by far the worst rating amoungst mid size SUVs (almost all the new ones are 5 star like Ford Edge). The driver and front passenger in Wrangler has significant risk of severe injury in a frontal and offset crash. A big bowl of not good.

https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/jeep/wrangler/34192

Edited by bzcat

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16 minutes ago, bzcat said:

Ford Ranger was last tested in 2012 and it received a 5 star and reaffirmed in a review (but not full test) in 2016. The new one hasn't been tested.

https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/ford/ranger/10926

You can understand that the physical  data from Ranger's front and pole crash test hasn't changed but what has changed is the addition of equipment like dynamic stability control and Autonomous emergency braking, all the other areas that have been progressively added to the tests over that time.

Edited by jpd80

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8 minutes ago, jpd80 said:

You can understad that the Ranger fromt and pole test physical data hasn't changed but what has changes is the addition of equipment like dynamic stability control and Autonomous emergency braking, all the other areas that have been progressively added to the tests over that time.

Just pointing out that if tested today, Ranger likely won't receive a 2 star like Wrangler, even without auto brake assist. The frontal, offset, and side impact standards hasn't changed since 2016. Ranger had good occupant crash protection.

What's new since 2016 is the weighting places on the safety assist component, of which auto brake assist is one feature. But even there, I will point out Ranger scored more points than Wrangler.

Anyway, this is somewhat off topic... feel free to continue discussion in the thread in competitor product area.

Edited by bzcat

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2 hours ago, Bob Rosadini said:

As to an initial sales projection, just curious-how did the "Canyonrados" do initially?  Whatever their number was I would bet the Ranger would beat that.  If for no other reason than the Ranger was out of production for so long vs. the small GM's and there is/should be a much greater pool of buyers waiting for the new truck-I hope😊

From wikipedia
First Colum is Colorado and the second is Canyon

2004[33] 117,475 27,193 144,668  
2005[33] 128,359 34,845 163,204  
2006[34] 93,876 23,979 117,855  
2007[35] 75,716 20,888 96,604  
2008[35] 54,346 14,974 69,320  
2009[36] 32,413 10,107 42,520  
2010[37] 24,642 7,992 32,634  
2011[38] 31,026 9,590 40,616  
2012[39] 36,840 8,735 45,575  
2013[40] 3,412 929 4,341  
2014 8,003 3,070 11,073  
2015[42] 84,430 30,077 114,507  
2016[44] 108,725 37,449 146,174  
2017[46] 112,996 32,106 145,102  

 

Ranger for S&G
 

2004[54] 156,322
2005 120,958
2006[55] 92,420
2007 72,711
2008[56] 65,872
2009[57] 55,600
2010[58] 55,364
2011[59] 70,832
2012 19,366

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Tacoma then, is by far the sales leader.  Maybe 200,000 per year.  I'm hoping the Ranger steals some of the Tacoma thunder and challenges for sales leadership.  

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I don't see Ranger selling more than 100K-120k.  They're not going to have a fire sale with super low pricing.

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One thing I find interesting is how sales spiked back in up in 2011 for the Ranger. 

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2 minutes ago, silvrsvt said:

One thing I find interesting is how sales spiked back in up in 2011 for the Ranger. 

A ton of fleets made huge orders knowing they were going away.

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58 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said:

A ton of fleets made huge orders knowing they were going away.

 

And retail customers

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13 minutes ago, akirby said:

 

And retail customers

While you’re not wrong, I think the fleet orders were a bigger reason for the swell. 

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