Sevensecondsuv Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Welcome to the panther mafia! We're despised around here, but like the cars, they can't make us go away! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevensecondsuv Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 46 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: But yet they drove like an old wornout sofa... And the last time you drove one was....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Let’s get back on topic please. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevensecondsuv Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) <deleted> Edited December 4, 2018 by akirby Off topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Back on topic please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 OK My prediction for Ranger will be start out slow around 2k in first month but then go to around 12k-14K in the peak driving season and then back to 10K about this time next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, jpd80 said: OK My prediction for Ranger will be start out slow around 2k in first month but then go to around 12k-14K in the peak driving season and then back to 10K about this time next year probably close to reality as our initial allocation was abysmal...read ONE stock unit. Hopefully once production ramps up, so will the numbers... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 So we'll actually be able to choose a Jeep Gladiator before having a decent selection of a Ranger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildosvt Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Deanh said: probably close to reality as our initial allocation was abysmal...read ONE stock unit. Hopefully once production ramps up, so will the numbers... Its going to be a while... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 4 hours ago, Kev-Mo said: So we'll actually be able to choose a Jeep Gladiator before having a decent selection of a Ranger? When is the Gladiator launching? The Ranger is less then 60 days out, but I'm gonna assume there isn't going to be alot of stock till late spring/early summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 17 hours ago, silvrsvt said: When is the Gladiator launching? The Ranger is less then 60 days out, but I'm gonna assume there isn't going to be alot of stock till late spring/early summer. My point is: Why can Jeep make as much as they can sell, but all these Ford models that customers might actually want are 'capacity constrained'? Jeep Wrangle responded to 30+% increase in sales without even a hiccup! Seems like you can get any configuration in any color you want as long as you can pay for it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Kev-Mo said: My point is: Why can Jeep make as much as they can sell, but all these Ford models that customers might actually want are 'capacity constrained'? Jeep Wrangle responded to 30+% increase in sales without even a hiccup! Seems like you can get any configuration in any color you want as long as you can pay for it... To avoid this:New Jeep Wrangler Frame Welds are Failing and Now FCA Is Issuing a Recall [Updated] https://jalopnik.com/new-jeep-wrangler-frame-welds-are-failing-and-now-fca-i-1829551649 Not to mention the Wrangler has been in production for years and already went through its ramp up process awhile back while the old plant was winded down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Wrangler Scored a 1 on Euro Crash tests... https://www.autoblog.com/2018/12/05/2018-jeep-wrangler-1-star-europe-ncap-crash-tests/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 9 hours ago, ANTAUS said: Wrangler Scored a 1 on Euro Crash tests... https://www.autoblog.com/2018/12/05/2018-jeep-wrangler-1-star-europe-ncap-crash-tests/ And that was due to the lack of collision braking system-I'm not sure if the Ranger has that either? And here we thought that our Insurance testing agencys where bad-well they are but they don't give out 0-1 star ratings over missing electronic do-dads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 As to an initial sales projection, just curious-how did the "Canyonrados" do initially? Whatever their number was I would bet the Ranger would beat that. If for no other reason than the Ranger was out of production for so long vs. the small GM's and there is/should be a much greater pool of buyers waiting for the new truck-I hope? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, silvrsvt said: And that was due to the lack of collision braking system-I'm not sure if the Ranger has that either? And here we thought that our Insurance testing agencys where bad-well they are but they don't give out 0-1 star ratings over missing electronic do-dads. Ford Ranger was last tested in 2012 and it received a 5 star and reaffirmed in a review (but not full test) in 2016. The new one hasn't been tested. https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/ford/ranger/10926 Wrangler's poor rating is largely due to the poor occupant crash protection, not the lack of auto brake assist. With brake assist, it would have scored a 2 star... still by far the worst rating amoungst mid size SUVs (almost all the new ones are 5 star like Ford Edge). The driver and front passenger in Wrangler has significant risk of severe injury in a frontal and offset crash. A big bowl of not good. https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/jeep/wrangler/34192 Edited December 6, 2018 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, bzcat said: Ford Ranger was last tested in 2012 and it received a 5 star and reaffirmed in a review (but not full test) in 2016. The new one hasn't been tested. https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/ford/ranger/10926 You can understand that the physical data from Ranger's front and pole crash test hasn't changed but what has changed is the addition of equipment like dynamic stability control and Autonomous emergency braking, all the other areas that have been progressively added to the tests over that time. Edited December 6, 2018 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, jpd80 said: You can understad that the Ranger fromt and pole test physical data hasn't changed but what has changes is the addition of equipment like dynamic stability control and Autonomous emergency braking, all the other areas that have been progressively added to the tests over that time. Just pointing out that if tested today, Ranger likely won't receive a 2 star like Wrangler, even without auto brake assist. The frontal, offset, and side impact standards hasn't changed since 2016. Ranger had good occupant crash protection. What's new since 2016 is the weighting places on the safety assist component, of which auto brake assist is one feature. But even there, I will point out Ranger scored more points than Wrangler. Anyway, this is somewhat off topic... feel free to continue discussion in the thread in competitor product area. Edited December 6, 2018 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Bob Rosadini said: As to an initial sales projection, just curious-how did the "Canyonrados" do initially? Whatever their number was I would bet the Ranger would beat that. If for no other reason than the Ranger was out of production for so long vs. the small GM's and there is/should be a much greater pool of buyers waiting for the new truck-I hope? From wikipedia First Colum is Colorado and the second is Canyon 2004[33] 117,475 27,193 144,668 2005[33] 128,359 34,845 163,204 2006[34] 93,876 23,979 117,855 2007[35] 75,716 20,888 96,604 2008[35] 54,346 14,974 69,320 2009[36] 32,413 10,107 42,520 2010[37] 24,642 7,992 32,634 2011[38] 31,026 9,590 40,616 2012[39] 36,840 8,735 45,575 2013[40] 3,412 929 4,341 2014 8,003 3,070 11,073 2015[42] 84,430 30,077 114,507 2016[44] 108,725 37,449 146,174 2017[46] 112,996 32,106 145,102 Ranger for S&G 2004[54] 156,322 2005 120,958 2006[55] 92,420 2007 72,711 2008[56] 65,872 2009[57] 55,600 2010[58] 55,364 2011[59] 70,832 2012 19,366 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford-boy Posted December 6, 2018 Author Share Posted December 6, 2018 Tacoma then, is by far the sales leader. Maybe 200,000 per year. I'm hoping the Ranger steals some of the Tacoma thunder and challenges for sales leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 I don't see Ranger selling more than 100K-120k. They're not going to have a fire sale with super low pricing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 One thing I find interesting is how sales spiked back in up in 2011 for the Ranger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: One thing I find interesting is how sales spiked back in up in 2011 for the Ranger. A ton of fleets made huge orders knowing they were going away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 58 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: A ton of fleets made huge orders knowing they were going away. And retail customers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, akirby said: And retail customers While you’re not wrong, I think the fleet orders were a bigger reason for the swell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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