IronPyro52 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 So far I know no CD player and no LED taillights. Anything else? Anyone know if the rear turn signal indicators are amber or red? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Check out the order guide: it tells you all the changes. https://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?/files/file/434-2019-escape-order-guide/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronPyro52 Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) Check out the order guide: it tells you all the changes. https://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?/files/file/434-2019-escape-order-guide/ Unfortunately that is not true.....it does not mention anything about the color of the rear turn signal indicators! Edited October 25, 2018 by IronPyro52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Then they did not change! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronPyro52 Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 But I've seen some pictures that indicate that perhaps they did! What used to be Amber now looks red to me! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Where did that picture come from? Could be a different market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) I'm surprised this is news because it's in the 2019 Order Guide. They eliminated the LED taillights, what wasn't clear was how they were going to do that. So it looks like they just blanked out the LED portion of the fixture with reflectors and turned the amber indicator red. LED fixtures are not available at all, standard or optional. They ran the Escape through a significant cost reduction program so you'll see quite a bit has been eliminated from the design such as LED taillights, paddle shifters, CD player, and many things you can't see. They cut material costs so you'll see things like cheaper carpets and floor mats, less two tone trim materials, etc. They've also reduced incentive spending, fleet sales, and more to get a grip on profits which accounts for its huge sales decline this year. If you're in the market for an Escape, definitely get a 2018 and avoid the 2019 unless you get a killer deal. Edited October 25, 2018 by Assimilator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 I'm surprised this is news because it's in the 2019 Order Guide. They eliminated the LED taillights, what wasn't clear was how they were going to do that. So it looks like they just blanked out the LED portion of the fixture with reflectors and turned the amber indicator red. LED fixtures are not available at all, standard or optional. They ran the Escape through a significant cost reduction program so you'll see quite a bit has been eliminated from the design such as LED taillights, paddle shifters, CD player, and many things you can't see. They cut material costs so you'll see things like cheaper carpets and floor mats, less two tone trim materials, etc. IE the same bs they always do for the last model year. They definitely did it with the Focus and C-Max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronPyro52 Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 Where did that picture come from? Could be a different market. Springfield PA according to the google image Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronPyro52 Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 Then they did not change! I wouldn't be so sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 But I've seen some pictures that indicate that perhaps they did! What used to be Amber now looks red to me! You are correct IronPyro52 sir, U.S. spec 2019 Escape taillamps are incandescent with red turn signal. Below are some other examples. They eliminated the LED taillights, what wasn't clear was how they were going to do that. So it looks like they just blanked out the LED portion of the fixture with reflectors and turned the amber indicator red. LED fixtures are not available at all, standard or optional. They ran the Escape through a significant cost reduction program so you'll see quite a bit has been eliminated from the design such as LED taillights, paddle shifters, CD player, and many things you can't see. They cut material costs so you'll see things like cheaper carpets and floor mats, less two tone trim materials, etc. They've also reduced incentive spending, fleet sales, and more to get a grip on profits which accounts for its huge sales decline this year. If you're in the market for an Escape, definitely get a 2018 and avoid the 2019 unless you get a killer deal. +1 Looks like Ford went on a major "decontenting" binge for Escape for 2019. Lots of deleted features. Also it looks like Co-Pilot 360 won't be offered on Escape until the next generation model comes out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 So they did change the tail lamps they just didn’t say what color they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) Looks awful. If it wasn't for the new one coming I would be pretty alarmed and angered by Hackett right now. Edited October 25, 2018 by Assimilator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Looks awful. If it wasn't for the new one coming I would be pretty alarmed and angered by Hackett right now. Fuck that, I am pissed. I'm sick of Ford doing this at the end of every life cycle. Then they wonder why their quality ratings slip as products age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) The 2020 Escape also has incandescent tail-light fixtures btw which bugged me because...at the time...Escape still had standard LED fixtures. That's what gave me the impression that they were going cheaper. I'm not sure if they are standard or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case for the US Escape. The Kuga has much nicer LED fixtures. Ford wouldn't be alone in not offering LED fixtures as standard, but at least they are optional on other makes. Edited October 25, 2018 by Assimilator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronPyro52 Posted October 26, 2018 Author Share Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) So they did change the tail lamps they just didn’t say what color they were. That's what I was trying to point out. It's going to take some getting used to since I prefer amber indicators. Edited October 26, 2018 by IronPyro52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 That's what I was trying to point out. It's going to take some getting used to since I prefer amber indicators. I have to point out that you never see the indicators from the driver’s seat. Just sayin’...... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronPyro52 Posted October 26, 2018 Author Share Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) I'm pissed that on the Ford "build and price" site it does not show that the taillights have been changed in this way. It shows the LED style still. Rather misleading. How does this change cut costs for Ford? Seems to me it would cost more to develop and manufacture a new component than to use one already in existence. Edited October 26, 2018 by IronPyro52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seviper06 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 I notice when you have the vista roof selected either for the SEL or on the Titanium that the front map lights are different from the previous model year (When you view the 360 around in the interior when you in the build configure). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronPyro52 Posted October 26, 2018 Author Share Posted October 26, 2018 Looks awful. I don't know. In a way it gives it a "cleaner" look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Just another me too CUV so boring........next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 How does this change cut costs for Ford? Seems to me it would cost more to develop and manufacture a new component than to use one already in existence. I think the cost of LED components for brake and taillamps is still several times that of incandescent bulbs. Something like 5 to 10 times more for LED. So even though there's cost to develop and manufacture a new taillamp cluster, that will be easily be covered by component cost savings times 2 taillamp clusters per Escape times 300,000 Escapes produced a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 The 2020 Escape also has incandescent tail-light fixtures btw which bugged me because...at the time...Escape still had standard LED fixtures. That's what gave me the impression that they were going cheaper. I'm not sure if they are standard or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case for the US Escape. The Kuga has much nicer LED fixtures. Ford wouldn't be alone in not offering LED fixtures as standard, but at least they are optional on other makes. How do you know that the 2020MY Escape has incandescent tail light fixtures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 One reason is they have steep discounts. I am surprised for any changes for only one model year? Will the next generation be released a year from now as a 2021? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 35 minutes ago, 630land said: One reason is they have steep discounts. I am surprised for any changes for only one model year? Will the next generation be released a year from now as a 2021? Nope. They start being built in August Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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