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#21 OFFLINE   akirby

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 08:21 AM

And you just made me defend Microsoft.  Damn you!



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#22 OFFLINE   fordmantpw

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 08:33 AM

And you just made me defend Microsoft.  Damn you!

 

Mission accomplished!


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Posted 11 October 2018 - 08:45 AM

Sync 1 does have some bugs but for being first of its kind it works great
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#24 OFFLINE   SoonerLS

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 11:00 AM

You're both right.  I read that Sync 1 was a disaster and I equated that with MFT.  Sync 1 was great for what it was, and yes, that was done by MS.  MFT was BSquare and was a huge mess.  My bad.

About 95% of the time, Sync 1 is great. About 3% of the time, I want to put the programmers in a line with the jerk who put the fuse box behind the passenger-side kick panel and beat them all with a crowbar.

The other 2% is when they release a new version of the software that replaces the old boring bugs with exciting new bugs...
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Posted 11 October 2018 - 11:16 AM

Microsoft approached Ford with these systems and Ford was eager to adopt it.  The problem with Sync 2 was multi-fold but primarily because there was VERY poor oversight on Ford's part.  They handed the keys over to outside contractors and took zero responsibility for managing the project.  Microsoft did have to step in to rescue Sync 2 but it took years to get it functional.  Windows CE was just a terrible platform to develop on and Ford's eagerness and earliness blinded them to that.  Much of this is Mulally's doing, trying to transform the image of the company while ignoring analysis to speed things up. 

 

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#26 OFFLINE   silvrsvt

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 11:21 AM

One problem that For has, started to be addressed a year or so ago, but they do not have the talent to figure it out !
 
Ford finally woke up to the fact that SOFTWARE is a big part (and getting bigger) of their product and they have no standardized method of how it is done.  Worse, lower and even middle level management look at the whole process as magic.  A request goes into a black box and some how the change coems out the back end.  Different organizations (Powertrain, EV, body, etc) do it differently.  Outsourcing was a disaster (Sync 1 was primarily done by Microsoft and we know what that product turned out lik; EcoBoost 1 was primarily done by Bosch, but had huge cost over runs and EcoBoost 2 not only reduced engineering cost but product costs),

The whole IT organization is set up in a manner as to BLOCK new internal tools and NOT HELP engineering solve problems.  They to had a major outsourcing disaster (They spent over $1B on a new purchasing system called Everest back in the 1990.  When rolled out, it was discovered that much functionality was not included.  Worse the cost estimate of Everest II were far more than the first version.)
 
The proposed new "centralized" product software development organization is turning into a huge "power grab/empire build" !


You do realize that 1990 was 28 years ago and outside of legacy data-they really dont have equipment that old running on a production system?

As of IT-you dont seem to grasp it that well-you can just silly nilly introduce programs to a system-you wind up with even more problems doing that. You need change management and configuration magament.

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 11:22 AM

I have friends and family in the IT department. Trust me, it's a clusterfuck.
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#28 OFFLINE   silvrsvt

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 11:28 AM

I have friends and family in the IT department. Trust me, it's a clusterfuck.


The bad thing is most of them are! Thats been my experience working in and around them. Management doesnt get it and think its like a light switch and it just works when it needs massaging etc to work properly

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Posted 13 October 2018 - 04:18 AM

You do realize that 1990 was 28 years ago and outside of legacy data-they really dont have equipment that old running on a production system?


I was at an unofficial ceremony about 2 months ago for the shut down of a server that had been in "production" for over 20 years. 
 

As of IT-you dont seem to grasp it that well-you can just silly nilly introduce programs to a system-you wind up with even more problems doing that. You need change management and configuration magament.

 

You have to be there to see just how bad it really is. People keep inventing ways to GET AROUND it to get their job done. A good buddy is one of the many "shadow" IT persons.


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Posted 13 October 2018 - 04:58 AM

I was at an unofficial ceremony about 2 months ago for the shut down of a server that had been in "production" for over 20 years. 
............................................................................................

 

You have to be there to see just how bad it really is. People keep inventing ways to GET AROUND it to get their job done. A good buddy is one of the many "shadow" IT persons.

Sounds like the more things change, the more they stay the same.


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Posted 13 October 2018 - 05:01 AM

Just finding new ways to do things the old way
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Posted 13 October 2018 - 07:18 AM

3 teams

Truck guys build trucks and this includes moab and rubicon type stuff and not that bulshit fluffy f150 crap fir city idiots to haul beer in the back only..no carpet type stuff with drain holes in the floor

Race car guys gives us unbrideled horsepower from the gods..if god invented the hemi on day 8 these guys can let loose a real cobra jet for street consumption and not that limited edition crap

All female team gives us all that crossover active crap...

Fire uaw and hire canadians with beards

This should fix ford

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Posted 13 October 2018 - 12:27 PM

You found the bearded canadians offensive????

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Posted 14 October 2018 - 04:44 AM

Just finding new ways to do things the old way

I'm sure we could build a "Ford economic clock" that approximates different phases of the economy...

 

1. Lots of money in the bank, time to buy companies and diversify, building new income streams..........Nasser

2. it all turns to crap and someone steps in with a rescue plan that makes everything worse....................Bill Ford

3. Source experienced CEO from outside the company to rescue and revive Ford..................................Mulally

4. Anointed successor rides previous CEO's work into the ground but makes lots of cash......................Fields

1. Lots of money in the bank, time to buy companies and diversify, building new income streams......... Hackett


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