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#1 OFFLINE   blksn8k2

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 10:25 PM

What does everyone think about the rules changes for 2019? The gist of it is that on tracks longer than one mile the engines will be "restricted" to 550 hp while all smaller tracks will have a 750 hp limit and all tracks will get aero changes that will result in much higher downforce. This will be similar to what they used for the 2018 All Star race with some tweaks.

 

Part of the aero package will be an 8" tall rear spoiler with the top half being transparent so that drivers can hopefully see through it when following another car.

 

There will no longer be a traditional restrictor plate used on any tracks but rather a tapered spacer between the throttle body and the intake manifold. In other words, there will no longer be any major difference between an engine for Daytona or Talladega and any other track longer than one mile in length (Charlotte, Atlanta, Michigan, etc.). They already use tapered spacers on all tracks except Daytona and Talladega so the new "big" track spacer will just be more restrictive than the ones used on shorter tracks. While some have touted the fact that the restrictor plates are going away the truth is they are just being replaced by a different shaped restriction.

 

These rules will go into effect for the first race after the 2019 Daytona 500.

 

The expectation is that overall lap speeds will not be too different than they are now. The cars will definitely be slower on the straightaways on big tracks due to reduced HP (actually more HP at Daytona and Talladega) and more downforce but should be faster through the turns due to that greater downforce. Corner entry speeds should be slower but they will be able to maintain more of that speed through the corners.

 

IMO this will get the desired result of "closer" racing on all "big" tracks, not just Daytona and Talladega. As we have seen with the current restrictor plates, along with closer racing comes more wrecks and more torn up race cars. I suspect this is also in response to a small group of cars winning most of the races this year. AKA the "Big Three". If your odds of finishing are reduced your odds of winning multiple races are as well.

 

If you like to see wrecks, this should be just the ticket...:rollseyes:


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#2 OFFLINE   fuzzymoomoo

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 03:28 AM

I'll watch the Daytona 500 and give this new package a chance for a few weeks, but if it turns into pack racing everywhere I'm out. I'll only watch the short tracks, road courses and the traditional "plate races" if that ends up happening.
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Posted 05 October 2018 - 05:42 AM

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 08:17 AM

NASCAR needs to move to a 5.0L V8 with plans to move to a 3.0L V6 and get rid of pushrods.  It IS the 21st century !!  NASCAR already has RPM limiters built into the ECU and they control they rear axle ratio, so they control top speed.  Maybe they can drop some of that.

 

I don't know what the rules are for Aussie SuperCar sedan racing, but I like the looks of it !



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Posted 05 October 2018 - 08:30 AM

SuperCars are all V8

I don't want a V6 in NASCAR. Remember the old Busch series cars before they moved to V8s? They sounded like angry bees and it was awful. I was a kid when they made that switch and I still remember how awful it was.
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Posted 05 October 2018 - 08:47 AM

The problem with Nascar is too much power and ovals with concrete walls.   They really need to do a Trans Am reboot with production based Mustangs, Camaros, Challengers and FT-86/Supra/Lexus RC on road courses.  Maybe keep Daytona and Talladega like they used to do with Iroc.   You don't need more than 400-500 hp.  That's what the LeMans cars have.   The road course naturally limits top speed and there are no concrete walls to worry about.


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Posted 05 October 2018 - 08:56 AM

The road course naturally limits top speed and there are no concrete walls to worry about.

At Sonoma yes (except the s/f straight) but Watkins Glen has the Armco barriers that have led to some violent crashes due to the ping-pong effect they have (Jeff Gordon's wreck circa 2011 comes to mind) and then (assuming it stays on the schedule) there is the Charlotte Roval which is mostly concrete walls.
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Posted 05 October 2018 - 08:58 AM

Mark Martin said it best though. The cars outgrew the tracks. It's the same thing that happened at Daytona/Talladega in the 80s and lead to the restrictor plates.
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Posted 05 October 2018 - 09:12 AM

At Sonoma yes (except the s/f straight) but Watkins Glen has the Armco barriers that have led to some violent crashes due to the ping-pong effect they have (Jeff Gordon's wreck circa 2011 comes to mind) and then (assuming it stays on the schedule) there is the Charlotte Roval which is mostly concrete walls.

 

There are a LOT more road courses than just those two.  Daytona and Indy have excellent road courses.   Look at all the tracks where IMSA runs.

 

If there is a problem like Watkins Glen then that's a track design issue - no reason it has to be that way.



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Posted 05 October 2018 - 09:16 AM

IMSA yes, I was thinking just of the road courses the nascar cup series runs.


The Glen is a tricky problem because produces such great racing no matter what series races there (except Indy car for some reason) but at the same time there's clearly upgrades that need to happen, specifically addressing how close the walls are to the racing surface and how narrow the track is. It's why Formula 1 will never go back and probably why the Indy cars turn into a parade.

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 09:20 AM

IMSA yes, I was thinking just of the road courses the nascar cup series runs.

 

I'm saying they need to expand and use more road courses.


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Posted 05 October 2018 - 09:22 AM

 
I'm saying they need to expand and use more road courses.

preaching to the choir brother.

Just please god not road America. Not until NASCAR grows up and starts using local yellows on road courses instead of throwing a full course caution for minor incidents. I can't watch the Xfinity series races there because of that.

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 09:27 AM

I like F1s virtual safety car in addition to local yellows.



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Posted 05 October 2018 - 09:30 AM

I'm not really familiar with the virtual safety car. I dont watch a lot of Formula 1 these days.
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Posted 05 October 2018 - 09:38 AM

I'm not really familiar with the virtual safety car. I dont watch a lot of Formula 1 these days.

 

There is no car on the track.  It's essentially a full course caution and it's communicated to the cars electronically.   At that point the cars are limited to a specific speed, no passing allowed and it's monitored by race control electronically.   They don't bunch the field and they don't have to wait for the safety car to enter and exit.   So they can do it for half a lap or multiple laps and turn it off as soon as the track is clear.



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Posted 05 October 2018 - 09:47 AM

 
There is no car on the track.  It's essentially a full course caution and it's communicated to the cars electronically.   At that point the cars are limited to a specific speed, no passing allowed and it's monitored by race control electronically.   They don't bunch the field and they don't have to wait for the safety car to enter and exit.   So they can do it for half a lap or multiple laps and turn it off as soon as the track is clear.

it's a great idea, but NASCAR would never implement something like that. They won't even do the pit road speed limiter, much to the chagrin of Denny Hamlin.
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Posted 05 October 2018 - 03:05 PM

I was hoping they would do the roval thing at more tracks, especially Daytona and Talladega instead of this stupid restrictor spacer. The only thing they have gaurantied is more wrecks.


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Posted 05 October 2018 - 03:31 PM

Talladega's infield road course no longer connects to the oval.
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Posted 06 October 2018 - 12:20 PM

Talladega's infield road course no longer connects to the oval.

 

Doesn't mean it can't be modified. How many millions did they spend modifying Charlotte? 


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