silvrsvt Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 http://www.autonews.com/article/20180927/OEM04/180929782/2020-ford-f-150-hybrid-dearborn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 27, 2018 Author Share Posted September 27, 2018 So it looks like the hybrid will be the 10 speed transmission with an electric motor in it? Does it have a battery pack in it also? Is it considered a mild hybrid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 We already knew Dearborn would be building the Hybrid I would expect the drivetrain would be very similar, if not identical to the Aviator and PIU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 That article said as a 2020 model? So that'd mean out next year? Which would mean it launches before the redesign? ---- I'm guessing the hybrid is probably the same Explorer/Aviator system as fuzzy mentioned. But I think there's also a BEV version in the works too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 27, 2018 Author Share Posted September 27, 2018 I would expect the drivetrain would be very similar, if not identical to the Aviator and PIU. Id assume the Bronco and Ranger would get a similar system since its tied to the transmission. The Mustang also. Im just curious about the details on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Well it's already been tested in the Explorer for police testing so you can get an idea of performance metrics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 (edited) For the F-150 It's a 3.5L EB Hybrid with the hybrid generator built into the housing of the Transmission. F-150 is also getting a BEV. The Ranger is not getting an HEV but the Bronco is getting the 2.7L HEV, same 10-Spd Hybrid Transmission. Ranger may get the HEV when it's redesigned for 2023, although I have no indications that's confirmed yet. Old Ranger has significant engineering limitations and it's a more price sensitive customer for a tech that's expensive. Mustang V8 also getting that HEV transmission. This is the same Hybrid transmission already undergoing hands-on testing in the 2020 PIU with the 3.3L V6. That will be the first application available to the public. I believe the 3.0L PHEV version for Aviator is running behind but that's yet another engine being coupled with this design. The HEV treatment is still fairly expensive, adds another $4K at least to a vehicle's price, PHEV is going to be way up there. It's geared towards performance in most applications, getting more power out of smaller engines rather than just getting more economy out of them. It seems appropriate for Ford as it moves to larger more expensive vehicles for their core volume. I don't see any plans to couple them with I4s yet outside of the FWD Hybrids which use a very different uncoupled design geared toward higher mileage economy like their current hybrids. Their C2 AWD PHEV Hybrid adds a direct drive motor to the rear wheels which is where the Corsair gets the exclusive (and the fun). Ford's RWD HEVs and PHEVs are by far and away the most innovative electrification strategy coming to any automaker. The C2 HEVs get available AWD, only the Corsair PHEV gets AWD (standard). It's all really great stuff on a larger scale than we've seen previously. This is the Ford I remember. Edited September 27, 2018 by Assimilator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dlcorbett Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Is any of this tech comin to the expy or navi? I thought they were getting the hybrid 3.5l too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Is any of this tech comin to the expy or navi? I thought they were getting the hybrid 3.5l too. Eventually but they haven't made any announcements about those yet AFAIK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Id assume the Bronco and Ranger would get a similar system since its tied to the transmission. The Mustang also. Im just curious about the details on it. As BORG said, it seems like basically anything that uses the 10-speed will get it. Bronco would presumably get it first, then Ranger get it after its redesign. Is any of this tech comin to the expy or navi? I thought they were getting the hybrid 3.5l too. I can't imagine they wouldn't receive the same tech. If they don't it's a big mistake, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Expy/Navi will probably get it whenever they get refreshed. The only thing I don't think would get it would be Super Duty, though that does have a 10 speed coming in 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Ranger is getting it as well for the next generation. Super duty is also be getting a version later, not so much to help economy but to allow contractors to use the truck as a generator on Job sites. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 "you get a hybrid and YOU get a hybrid...EVERYBODY gets a hybrid!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 ? the Ranger redesign is the chassis the Bronco will be on no....so wont they just be released the same time frame…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 ? the Ranger redesign is the chassis the Bronco will be on no....so wont they just be released the same time frame…. It sounds like Bronco may get the hybrid from the get-go, whereas Ranger would get it after being moved to the new platform/redesign. Unless they do something stupid and delay the Bronco hybrid launch for years until Ranger is redesigned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Bronco will be first vehicle on next generation T6, Ranger then follows it in CY 2021 and Everest after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Bronco will be first vehicle on next generation T6, Ranger then follows it in CY 2021 and Everest after that. . ...and Troller.T4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 . ...and Troller.T4. I think that looks pretty darn good. Too bad they couldnt have used the last generation of Troller as a basis for a Bronco a long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Troller T4 was not part of the T6 vehicle program, it sourced engine, trans, HVAC and door components, the frame suspension and body are all South American troller. A T6 based competitor to the Jeep Wrangler would be an interesting move... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 A T6 based competitor to the Jeep Wrangler would be an interesting move... Isn't the whole point of the Bronco to compete directly with the Wrangler? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Isn't the whole point of the Bronco to compete directly with the Wrangler? Of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) Isn't the whole point of the Bronco to compete directly with the Wrangler? Compete with or be different to? If you say compete then, the inference is that most buyers will be drawn form there but if it's different to Wrangler then, buyers will be drawn mostly from other areas. A lot of interest in Bronco is coming from Mustang buyers.... Edited September 30, 2018 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 It’s a short 4wd off road vehicle - of course it competes directly with Wrangler. Doesn’t mean that’s all it competes with or that it won’t appeal to others for other reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) I'm sorry, I obviously misunderstood the context of the term, "Competes directly". It does and it doesn't for reasons that will become more obvious the closer we get to reveal. When you see Bronco, you will understand that it's more a fulfillment of a promise to Ford buyers to deliver a "Ford Brand Iconic Vehicle" than to deliver a Jeep competitor but it doesn't hurt to remind buyers that there's another player in town.... Edited September 30, 2018 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Right - it wasn’t created to be a “wrangler killer” but it should be the closest competitor on the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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