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#1 OFFLINE   coupe3w

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Posted 20 September 2018 - 06:19 AM

Nothing it seems . . . . The GT was built to specifications to win Le Mans, not VIR.


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Posted 20 September 2018 - 06:54 AM

Nothing it seems . . . . The GT was built to specifications to win Le Mans, not VIR.

LOL. That's like saying my street car is only good for back roads, but not on the Highway.



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Posted 20 September 2018 - 07:04 AM

LOL. That's like saying my street car is only good for back roads, but not on the Highway.

 

I know a lot of street cars like that.  People running 4.30 or 4.56 (or higher) gears in certain mustangs (or other cars) run all day around town, and try to never run them on the highway.


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Posted 20 September 2018 - 07:33 AM

 

I know a lot of street cars like that.  People running 4.30 or 4.56 (or higher) gears in certain mustangs (or other cars) run all day around town, and try to never run them on the highway.

Well, that is because they are not running an overdrive transmission. I have 4:30 gears in my '67 Mustang and cruise on the Highway just fine with a 5 speed. The GT street car was built for speed and not just one track. And neither was the GT race car built for just one track. That would be just dumb. Yes they wanted to win at Le Mans, but they also wanted to win a championship. 



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Posted 20 September 2018 - 08:14 AM

Well, that is because they are not running an overdrive transmission. I have 4:30 gears in my '67 Mustang and cruise on the Highway just fine with a 5 speed. The GT street car was built for speed and not just one track. And neither was the GT race car built for just one track. That would be just dumb. Yes they wanted to win at Le Mans, but they also wanted to win a championship.


Not for one track, for one series. The corvette supercharged 6.2L is not race legal. The Corvette race cars use a 5.5L NA powerplant that’s not even available on the production vehicle while the GT uses the same 3.5L twin turbo in both their street and race cars albeit detuned to meet BOP rules.

Look at it this way - both vehicles were forced induction but the Corvette needed almost twice the displacement to beat the GT. The GT was right there with the Huracan and GT3 RS. I’m sure on a different track those vehicles would outperform the Corvette. There is a reason GM is moving to a mid engine vette for racing.

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Posted 20 September 2018 - 09:09 AM

Just talking street versions of the cars. The Corvette ZR1 is faster than the GT and it cost $120K to start. 



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Posted 20 September 2018 - 09:35 AM

Just talking street versions of the cars. The Corvette ZR1 is faster than the GT and it cost $120K to start. 

 

Well, you don't buy a SuperCar for bang for the buck.

 

The Mustang is 1/3 the cost of the ZR1 and does just fine on the track.

 

Oh, and the GT blows them all away in looks.


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Posted 20 September 2018 - 11:35 AM

Just talking street versions of the cars. The Corvette ZR1 is faster than the GT and it cost $120K to start.


Not arguing that. It’s also faster than most other supercars. Just saying that the GT was created specifically for the track and LeMans/endurance racing. Street performance was not a priority.

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Posted 20 September 2018 - 03:57 PM

Not arguing that. It’s also faster than most other supercars. Just saying that the GT was created specifically for the track and LeMans/endurance racing. Street performance was not a priority.

But VIR is a race track and it should do better than it did for the price. I think it's kind of an embarrassment to get beat on a race track by a car costing a quarter as much with a front engine pushrod motor. I know you are going to say but it's a bigger engine and all. But Ford knew what the competition was going into this thing and went with a V6 TT to showcase their technology. I think they came up short. Leaving the race car out of the equation. I'm talking street car to street car.



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Posted 20 September 2018 - 04:27 PM

But VIR is a race track and it should do better than it did for the price. I think it's kind of an embarrassment to get beat on a race track by a car costing a quarter as much with a front engine pushrod motor. I know you are going to say but it's a bigger engine and all. But Ford knew what the competition was going into this thing and went with a V6 TT to showcase their technology. I think they came up short. Leaving the race car out of the equation. I'm talking street car to street car.

 

This is the type of overreaction that is infuriating. The production GT was only built to satisfy the requirement of a racing series of having a production car and be a halo technology vehicle. The fact they use the same engine spec, in my opinion, adds to the car. Plus the GT production car is why more race car than the ZR1. The ZR1 is built on the same platform (with significant changes) as the base vette. I would absolutely guarantee that if the GT had roughly the same HP than the ZR1 (versus being down 100hp and over 150tq) it would beat the times. Only an internet benchmark racer would call the GT a failure.  

 

The fact that everyone that drives the ZR1 calls it scary and on the verge of being too much engine for that platform, says a lot. It's a success in your eyes because of lap times though.


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Posted 20 September 2018 - 05:08 PM

Well if it's way more race car than the ZR1 it should have handed the Vett's ass in a sling. It's not and Ford blew it putting the V6TT in that car just to show off the technology. Look I have had Fords all my life and want nothing but to have Ford succeed, but they keep getting beat by less costly and inferior cars consistently. But in a few more years it won't matter because everything will be electric and the wars will start all over again. I just hope Ford comes out on top this time. 



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Posted 20 September 2018 - 05:14 PM

Well if it's way more race car than the ZR1 it should have handed the Vett's ass in a sling. It's not and Ford blew it putting the V6TT in that car just to show off the technology. Look I have had Fords all my life and want nothing but to have Ford succeed, but they keep getting beat by less costly and inferior cars consistently. But in a few more years it won't matter because everything will be electric and the wars will start all over again. I just hope Ford comes out on top this time. 

 

I think you are missing the point and I'm done trying to explain it to you. If you think the Ford GT is a failure, ask the 1000 people paying 500,000 bucks for it. There won't be a GT sitting on the showroom floor, like there will be with ZR1's.


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Posted 20 September 2018 - 09:26 PM

For the last time, they used the 3.5LTT because it fits the race rules. Race corvette is limited to 5.5L NA for the same reason. They weren’t just “showing off”. That vette is typical GM - stuff a huge displacement engine in it and call it a day. Ford (and Lamborghini and Ferrari and Porsche) don’t subscribe to that same philosophy. If this Vette is so great then why is GM making a mid engine version just like the GT?

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Posted 21 September 2018 - 05:18 AM

For the last time, they used the 3.5LTT because it fits the race rules. Race corvette is limited to 5.5L NA for the same reason. They weren’t just “showing off”. That vette is typical GM - stuff a huge displacement engine in it and call it a day. Ford (and Lamborghini and Ferrari and Porsche) don’t subscribe to that same philosophy. If this Vette is so great then why is GM making a mid engine version just like the GT?

Because GM wants to build a Supercar and not just a Sportscar. And they won't be using a V6 that's for sure. They are moving it upmarket like Ford did with the GT. They could have gone NA at 5.0L. It was a marketing decision to push the ECOBoost technology period. And in my opinion it was a mistake. Do you think the Mid engine Corvette is going to cost $400K ? I bet not.



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Posted 21 September 2018 - 05:21 AM

 

I think you are missing the point and I'm done trying to explain it to you. If you think the Ford GT is a failure, ask the 1000 people paying 500,000 bucks for it. There won't be a GT sitting on the showroom floor, like there will be with ZR1's.

I never said it was a failure. It just isn't faster or better handling then a ZR1 at 1/4 the cost. And for has only produced what 136 cars so far? Oh 137 they had to replace the burnt one. 



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Posted 21 September 2018 - 05:30 AM

And for has only produced what 136 cars so far?

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Posted 21 September 2018 - 05:55 AM

Well, that is because they are not running an overdrive transmission. I have 4:30 gears in my '67 Mustang and cruise on the Highway just fine with a 5 speed. The GT street car was built for speed and not just one track. And neither was the GT race car built for just one track. That would be just dumb. Yes they wanted to win at Le Mans, but they also wanted to win a championship. 

 

Yes, and no.  I won't run 430s (or higher) in the Mach, as they would inhibit my driving on the twisties.  If I did more 1/4 runs, I'd switch in a minute.

 

None-the-less . . . yes it stinks a ZR1 can beat a GT at some places.  However, FMC and Multimatic built the GT for a specific series, as noted above, to the limits of the regulations to race for a certain number of years in GT2.  The street car is a by-product of the race car, plain and simple . . . 


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Posted 21 September 2018 - 07:50 AM

You do understand that is intentional right?

No I didn't know that. Please explain.



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Posted 21 September 2018 - 07:54 AM

Hmm...let's see.......Do we put in a big engine so we can beat Corvette in a meaningless car magazine test or do we win LeMans?



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