Fgts Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 http://www.autonews.com/article/20180828/OEM04/180829764/why-chevy-continues-to-invest-in-sedans?X-IgnoreUserAgent=1 Form the article Chevy will continue to have a sedan from "sub-compact to fullsize". IMO that's good to hear even if the margins isn't great but still pull a profit from sedans because foreign companies are still in the market, taking potential CUV/truck buyers with them. FCA will still continue sedans albeit soon it will range from midsize to fullsize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 http://www.autonews.com/article/20180828/OEM04/180829764/why-chevy-continues-to-invest-in-sedans?X-IgnoreUserAgent=1 Form the article Chevy will continue to have a sedan from "sub-compact to fullsize". IMO that's good to hear even if the margins isn't great but still pull a profit from sedans because foreign companies are still in the market, taking potential CUV/truck buyers with them. FCA will still continue sedans albeit soon it will range from midsize to fullsize. Just get ready for crappier sedans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 In terms of manufacturing capacity, I'm not sure GM could afford to drop (or severely prune) an entire range as Ford is planning to do, and I'm guessing they've justified their situation with a window they may see opening for those leaving Ford sedans wanting something similar. I'd expect longer lifecycles and "value engineering" in MCE's. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 In terms of manufacturing capacity, I'm not sure GM could afford to drop (or severely prune) an entire range as Ford is planning to do, and I'm guessing they've justified their situation with a window they may see opening for those leaving Ford sedans wanting something similar. I'd expect longer lifecycles and "value engineering" in MCE's. We've already seen Malibu's refresh was just a slight grille tweak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Yeah, we'll see. GM's five car assembly plants are currently running at 37% of capacity. Hardly the recipe for making money. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) I cant remember the last time I saw a Chevy sedan on the road that wasnt more then 10 yrs old. Edited August 30, 2018 by T-dubz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I cant remember the last time I saw a Chevy sedan on the road that wasnt more then 10 yrs old. Come to Metro Detroit you cant miss them, the $88/month leases have them everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Come to Metro Detroit you cant miss them, the $88/month leases have them everywhere. You should be driving a Kia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 GM and Ford making wildly different bets on the future...lets see who wins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 If I decide to value 'buy American' over sportier handling, a Chevy will be my next car. If not, it will be a VW. There's a 2% chance that I will buy a truck or CUV, in which case it would be another Ford in my driveway. So in my case, GM wins. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 The alternative is for GM to stop building cars and start closing plants and laying off workers. Its production footprint is so huge that it could close all car plants and still have more than enough production capacity to build more trucks and utilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted August 30, 2018 Author Share Posted August 30, 2018 Come to Metro Detroit you cant miss them, the $88/month leases have them everywhere. Many newer Impalas/Malibu in my area among blue-collar neighborhoods along with 6 cly/base V8 LXs and SE Fusions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevensecondsuv Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) Yep - here in the heartland, new fusion, taurus, malibu, impala, and dcx cars are a common sight. Every bit as common as camry accord. I know that's not true for the broader US market though. I'm always astounded at the "American-car phobia" I see when I travel out to the coasts. Edited August 30, 2018 by Sevensecondsuv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 If Ford had the plant capacity that GM has they'd probably still be building Focus and Fusion too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) Yep - here in the heartland, new fusion, taurus, malibu, impala, and dcx cars are a common sight. Every bit as common as camry accord. I know that's not true for the broader US market though. Yes sir. Only in the Midwest, Great Plains, and maybe parts of Alaska are Ford and GM sedans popular as new cars mostly bought by retail consumers. Everywhere else in the U.S., those cars are usually fleet vehicles or bought used. Edited August 30, 2018 by rperez817 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Yes sir. Only in the Midwest, Great Plains, and maybe parts of Alaska are Ford and GM sedans popular as new cars mostly bought by retail consumers. Everywhere else in the U.S., those cars are usually fleet vehicles or bought used. Citation needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Citation needed. IHS Markit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 IHS Markit Specific citation needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 GM and Ford making wildly different bets on the future...lets see who wins! Considering the market share GM and Ford had in the 60's down to what they have now, I'd have to say that traditionally, it is every other automaker on the planet but them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) Specific citation needed. Edited August 30, 2018 by fuzzymoomoo 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted August 31, 2018 Author Share Posted August 31, 2018 My hope is since Lincoln supposedly is putting-out 2 CD6 sedans for the MKZ and Continental replacements just one sedan can be the "standard Ford" like the 1900-1960 and have different model packages based on one car while the truck/utilities take up the other buyers. A theoretical 2.3 310 hp CD6 sedan would out perform the average CamCorder while delivering attractive mpg and a $25-30k price range would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) I would wait to see if GM actually starts spending money on new cars, right now nothing is in the pipeline, not even a refresh of the aging Impala. I'm sure GM is hoping to build investor confidence with the notion that they are building in more customers by sticking with the segments Ford is leaving. I don't really believe that is actually happening at GM. But it is remarkable that GM can stay profitable despite massive over capacity and higher incentive spending. I can also guarantee GM car sales would continue to drop even if Ford pulled the plug on all cars today, let alone 2 years from now. They certainly are not moving people into more expensive cars. Ford is weak in utilities, they rank about 5th or 6th in the market for total Crossover and SUV sales and they are on track to shrink this year. Ford is also trailing GM on total Trucks. Ford has caused itself some massive problems that it needs to prioritize so it has to fix their outdated utility business (which they are) and expand it significantly to patch enormous holes and missed opportunities (witch they are). When both FCA and GM outsell Ford on SUVs, you know Ford has historic problems. Hell, FCA may outperform Ford financials this year which would be about as bad as it gets. They have lost the luxury of dealing with cars at this point when they are this resource constrained. It can always be worse, Ford could be in the red, but compared to the rest of the industry Ford is by far the most immediately troubled...but I know it will be momentary. By this time next year Ford will be turning a corner. Now is a good time for a through corporate renovation. Edited August 31, 2018 by Assimilator 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) It can always be worse, Ford could be in the red, but compared to the rest of the industry Ford is by far the most immediately troubled...but I know it will be momentary. By this time next year Ford will be turning a corner. Now is a good time for a through corporate renovation. Well said Assmilator sir. The 3 major U.S. domestic carmakers (GM, Ford, Tesla) all have their own specific problems. And all have to deal with the challenges for the auto industry as a whole. I agree that Ford's problems are the most severe among the 3, due to bad decisions and bad management after Mulally left. And I also agree that there will soon be a turnaround for the better at Ford. Hackett's vision will play a key role in this turnaround. Edited August 31, 2018 by rperez817 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Well said Assmilator sir. The 3 major U.S. domestic carmakers (GM, Ford, Tesla) all have their own specific problems. And all have to deal with the challenges for the auto industry as a whole. I agree that Ford's problems are the most severe among the 3, due to bad decisions and bad management after Mulally left. And I also agree that there will soon be a turnaround for the better at Ford. Hackett's vision will play a key role in this turnaround. . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gthims Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Hi In my area most households have two vehicles, one of which is a sedan. I have a 2008 Escape that is being replaced shortly with a 2019 Edge Titanium & a Lincoln MKZ. My sister has a Malibu & Toyota Highlander. My brother has a F-350 Super Duty Platinum & Tesla 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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