bzcat Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 So I was thinking about this some more... I realize that P758 will probably have longer wheelbase than Focus or Escape to have a proper cargo area. So that probably means CX758, assuming it shares that platform and wheelbase with P758 will be bigger than Escape but maybe not quite as big as Edge. Basically, I think CX758 is the "3-row" Escape that we thought was coming with the new Escape. But I now think Ford has decided to leave Escape as 2-row (why mess with successful formula?) and will use CX758 to address the compact 7 seat CUV niche to replace Grand C-Max. CX430 --> replace C-Max Escape --> Escaoe CX758 --> replace Grand C-Max Edge 5 seat --> Edge 5 seat Edge 7 seat --> Edge 7 seat and replace S-Max Explorer --> Explorer and replace Galaxy and Flex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadicalX Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Replaces subcompact Brazilian Courierrename it Ranchero? Desperate to hold on to its truck primacy, Ford is working on a new compact pickup that could find its way into the U.S. product lineup by 2022. Ford is preparing to replace its aged Courier subcompact pickup truck, built in Brazil and based on a two-generation old Fiesta platform introduced in 1998. Sources familiar with Fords future product plan say the automaker is considering it for the U.S. market. It would slot below the Ford Ranger midsize pickup arriving in U.S. dealerships early next year, but would be bigger than the current Brazilian Courier. The European Union market has been buying larger vehicles in recent years, including pickup trucks, and so the Courier replacement will be built on the next-generation Focus platform, sources say. As a unibody pickup, it would have nothing like the profit margin of a Ford F-Series, or even the upcoming U.S. Ranger. It would, potentially, help Ford regain its lead in U.S. pickup sales, and secure the automakers truck bragging rights. Although the Ford F-Series is having a record sales year in the U.S., with 451,138 delivered in the first half of 2018a 4.9 percent increase over the first half of 2017General Motors has sold more pickup trucks overall. Sales of the Chevrolet Colorado jumped 38.9 percent for the same period, contributing to first-half GM pickup truck sales o 478,671, including Chevy Colorado and Silverado, and GMC Canyon and Sierra. While that lead of 27,533 for the first half of 18 could easily be overcome by Ranger sales next year, a smaller, compact Ford pickup would lock up the bragging rights if there is no GM response. Ford will introduce a new Focus for the EU and other market in 2019 to replace a model that has been on the market since 2012, though not for the U.S. North American production of that car initially was to move from the Michigan Wayne Assembly plant to make space for the new Rangers and upcoming Broncos production, first to Mexico, and then to China as President Trump sought to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). Ford has since decided to cut the Focus sedan and hatchback from the U.S. market by next year. It will be replaced instead by a wagon/crossover slotting between the EcoSport and Escape, to target such models as the popular Subaru Crosstrek. That Focus-based compact Ford crossover is scheduled to make its debut here in the 2020 model year, and it will be built in the Cuautitlan, Mexico, assembly plant, replacing Fiesta hatchback and sedan production in that factory. So new Courier production would be a natural for that plant, as NAFTA protects truck production in Mexico and Canada from the 54-year-old Chicken Tax. Prospects for the compact Ford pickup coming to the U.S. market appears largely determined by tariffs and trade deals negotiated by the Trump administration in the next 24 months. Theres one other open question: Whether Ford would stick with the Courier name for the U.S. market. May we suggest another classic Ford name? Ranchero. https://www.automobilemag.com/news/ford-considers-compact-unibody-pickup-truck-u-s/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) ....May we suggest another classic Ford name? Ranchero. . No, you may not.....leave Ranchero in the history books. How about Ranger Connect. Edited July 27, 2018 by twintornados Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadicalX Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) . No, you may not.....leave Ranchero in the history books. I'd prefer a new name, too. This fashion of Ford to pick up entirely new cars and put names of old cars (Escort, Maverick, Bronco, Mach 1) do not please me one bit. It seems that lacks creativity to create a new name Edited July 27, 2018 by RadicalX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadicalX Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 A Fiat Toro rival Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 A Fiat Toro rival Yes, I believe that's what Ford is planning. Not a replacement for Courier pickup but something bigger like Toro and the upcoming Hyundai pickup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadicalX Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Yes, I believe that's what Ford is planning. Not a replacement for Courier pickup but something bigger like Toro and the upcoming Hyundai pickup. Fiat Toro is a huge hit. Its a Jeep Compass Pickup. Ford P758 will be an Ford Escape pickup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 I'd prefer a new name, too. This fashion of Ford to pick up entirely new cars and put names of old cars (Escort, Maverick, Bronco, Mach 1) do not please me one bit. It seems that lacks creativity to create a new name . Original name for Fusion was Futura...but Fords' lawsuit against Pepboys blew up in their face when the judge ruled that Ford could not ever use that name again as long as Pepboys uses it.... Several names that can be used in a truck name...wondering of FCA still owns "Tradesman" and "Adventurer" for a cargo and personal transport application? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadicalX Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) . Original name for Fusion was Futura...but Fords' lawsuit against Pepboys blew up in their face when the judge ruled that Ford could not ever use that name again as long as Pepboys uses it.... Several names that can be used in a truck name...wondering of FCA still owns "Tradesman" and "Adventurer" for a cargo and personal transport application? Ford KonikFord Fontanna Ford F-50 Ford Feline Ford Freeline Ford F-Cross / F-Sport Ford Firstmont Ford FreeSport Ford Freedom Ford Forte Ford F-Line Edited July 27, 2018 by RadicalX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Just use the Courier.name 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 When F150 sales drop due to the Ranger, naming it F-50 would at least throw the tally into F-series and keep the bragging right of best seller nameplate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 akirby...was referring to construction not size...I think this will be a hit....makes more sense in a small light duty than something the Ridgelines size....wonder what the sales numbers of the new Ridgeline are?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKX1960 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 . Original name for Fusion was Futura...but Fords' lawsuit against Pepboys blew up in their face when the judge ruled that Ford could not ever use that name again as long as Pepboys uses it.... Several names that can be used in a truck name...wondering of FCA still owns "Tradesman" and "Adventurer" for a cargo and personal transport application? Futura sounds like it's right out of the 60's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Little or no chance this can return Ford’s goal of 8%. It would also steal at least some more profitable Ranger sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Merged duplicate topics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Courier makes me think of a mailman. Id actually use the Maverick name on the little truck, then Id rename the baby bronco the Ford Recon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Courier is well known in ROW as Ford’s small pick up The name was used globally before Ranger name was adopted in the 2000s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Courier is well known in ROW as Fords small pick up The name was used globally before Ranger name was adopted in the 2000s Courier was well known here until it was replaced by the Ranger back in the '80s. IIRC, it was a rebadged Mazda (also ironic, given that the subsequent Mazda trucklet was a rebadged Ranger). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHV 16V Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Courier is well known in ROW as Fords small pick up The name was used globally before Ranger name was adopted in the 2000s I wouldnt mind if they used the Courier name again. My grandfather had an 82 XLT in that powder blue color that Ford had at the time. (Anyone remember what the heck the exact name of that color was by chance?) Lots of fond memories riding around in that truck... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Courier was introduced in the US market in 1972 as a response to Toyota and Datsun that were very popular at the time....to get around the "chicken tax"...they came into port without the bed attached and it was later installed upon arrival...Presenting a 1972 Ford Courier... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelyD Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Of course we're getting a baby bronco. Were you thinking of something else. It won't be called baby Bronco or even Bronco II Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelyD Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Ford Konik Ford Fontanna Ford F-50 Ford Feline Ford Freeline Ford F-Cross / F-Sport Ford Firstmont Ford FreeSport Ford Freedom Ford Forte Ford F-Line Only name on a list somewhere is F-50 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Futura sounds like it's right out of the 60's. Yes, thank God they did not use that name. Its terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Courier was introduced in the US market in 1972 as a response to Toyota and Datsun that were very popular at the time....to get around the "chicken tax"...they came into port without the bed attached and it was later installed upon arrival... Presenting a 1972 Ford Courier... Wow, I completely forgot about that truck. My friends Dad had a brown one for quite a while. However, it was a pretty unremarkable vehicle if my memory serves me correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 It won't be called baby Bronco or even Bronco II We know, but not everybody knows Maverick yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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