sullynd Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Gotcha. Agreed. A Ford/GM JV on battery production would be cool too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Gotcha. Agreed. A Ford/GM JV on battery production would be cool too. GM uses 9 cells. Ford decides to use 8. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 The difference is Amazon built something that truly didn't exist, ie truly online Wal-mart with 0 brick and mortar stores. Oh, I'm not saying they're right, or that Amazon and Tesla are remotely similar, just that there are probably a bunch of them thinking that's what they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 GM uses 9 cells. Ford decides to use 8. We'll see the fruit of that decision when the new Edge and Nautilus come out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 They can certainly build the cars but they can't do it in volume at a decent profit yet because of the battery cost and market conditions. That's what should change over the next 5 years to make it viable. Not a technical limitation at all. The other advantage literally every other car company in the world has is they can balance production on lines that make cars that are already profitable, therefore making the electric versions at the very least profit neutral, but not money losing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Tesla is the next Worldcom and Enron. A few people will end up in jail over it. It will also be a conspiracy theory that Ford, GM and other autocompanies conspired to put them out of business. I highly doubt that (other than the conspiracy theory part; Lord knows there are enough simpletons out there to make any conspiracy theory fly). Tesla might fail, but they are, at least, making product instead of playing a shell game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 We'll see the fruit of that decision when the new Edge and Nautilus come out. I think you missed the joke. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 I don't think Tesla will be making cars in 5 years. By then the mainstream mfrs will have caught up and surpassed them. I think Musk will take the battery technology that he's developed with the cars and apply it to commercial and residential products. They're already doing that. It wasn't long ago that they completed a contract for a giant battery farm in Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 They're already doing that. It wasn't long ago that they completed a contract for a giant battery farm in Australia. I know. I'm wondering if that wasn't the plan all along - use cars as the catalyst to get investment money and drive up the stock price. Much sexier than a giant battery farm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 They're already doing that. It wasn't long ago that they completed a contract for a giant battery farm in Australia. And the only reason Musk got it done on time was because he offered it free if they missed the deadline.. Maybe Musk shoulda modeled Tesla after Dominos... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jniffen Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 I think Musk is going through what I call the 'Ford fever'. Like Henry Ford in his day, after enough people keep telling you 'You're so much smarter, and better and gifted than everyone else.' they start to believe it. So when the crazy/stupid ideas happen, either there is no one around to question it, challenge it or simply the 'gifted person', simply believes only they are correct, we have what is happening to Musk and his problems with the Model 3 production issues. He's even saying they're was a spy who was trying to defeat the success. I mean Henry was a talented and smart guy but when he tried to created a 'Ford-land' in South America, that is when he hit the wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 I highly doubt that (other than the conspiracy theory part; Lord knows there are enough simpletons out there to make any conspiracy theory fly). Tesla might fail, but they are, at least, making product instead of playing a shell game. They make product that they lose money on everyone sold, the only time they have made a quarterly profit is when they sold credits, they keep saying they will do it with volume, but they don't hit that volume and are given more rope than any other company in recent history. They are a shell game of just moving funds, and giving one person that much rope just allows them to do one thing, hang themselves really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 So Musk is requesting $2,500 additional for Model 3 deposits now as a down payment for their order to proceed with a 3 day cancellation policy before the money is his for good. Of course he wont have to raise money when he pulls this stuff... just more free money to buy him time to continue not meeting goals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 So Musk is requesting $2,500 additional for Model 3 deposits now as a down payment for their order to proceed with a 3 day cancellation policy before the money is his for good. Of course he wont have to raise money when he pulls this stuff... just more free money to buy him time to continue not meeting goals. Yeah and it also make those buyers think that their cars are much closer to delivery... He gets extra capital to work with while keeping the faithful close.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 They make product that they lose money on everyone sold, the only time they have made a quarterly profit is when they sold credits, they keep saying they will do it with volume, but they don't hit that volume and are given more rope than any other company in recent history. They are a shell game of just moving funds, and giving one person that much rope just allows them to do one thing, hang themselves really good. If sucking at making cars was actionable, we wouldn't have any automakers today, because they have all sucked at it at various times through history. Just look at the unholy mess of 2006-2008. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 https://www.autoblog.com/2018/07/02/tesla-says-it-hit-model-3-production-goal-with-31-cars-to-spare/ Apparently they made their goal in the last week of June and made 5,031 last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 https://www.autoblog.com/2018/07/02/tesla-says-it-hit-model-3-production-goal-with-31-cars-to-spare/ Apparently they made their goal in the last week of June and made 5,031 last week. Or as Ford calls it - Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Or as Ford calls it - Tuesday morning. FTFY 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Or as Ford calls it - Tuesday. https://twitter.com/stevenarmstrong/status/1013522801834254337?s=21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 To me, the bigger issue is that Tesla still hasn't returned any profit. It's been a big money hole. I don't care how many cars they make. Until they've returned enough profit to not only make money today, but to payback all the money already spent, I wouldn't declare a success. Until then, Tesla shouldn't talk smack. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 It's clear to me after reading that twitter thread, that Elon has created Tesla zealots. My god this is just like 20 years ago when Toyota came out with the Prius. So many folks are so high and mighty, TESLA and ELON can walk on water! This is precisely why you don't throw shade at competitors because this is what you get. One of the main reasons I hate the internet, is that people can create their own reality based on what they perceive and not facts with no recourse. I read many in accurate slams on Ford in that thread, that weren't questioned. Then uneducated will think it's true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 It's clear to me after reading that twitter thread, that Elon has created Tesla zealots. My god this is just like 20 years ago when Toyota came out with the Prius. So many folks are so high and mighty, TESLA and ELON can walk on water! This is precisely why you don't throw shade at competitors because this is what you get. One of the main reasons I hate the internet, is that people can create their own reality based on what they perceive and not facts with no recourse. I read many in accurate slams on Ford in that thread, that weren't questioned. Then uneducated will think it's true. You mean "Tesla truck coming soon, will soon outsell F150" isn't accurate? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 You mean "Tesla truck coming soon, will soon outsell F150" isn't accurate? LOL....Elon created the electric car! Ford has never created an electric car. They couldn't develop in on their own so they used Mazda technology. I rest my case. I am certain there are people paid by Tesla to be trolls on the internet. Not just part of their PR, they employ people to find anything related to Tesla and comment on it. Trashing whatever gets in their way. I just keep thinking about Gung Ho! Would you want a car built in a tent in suspect conditions? Not to mention a car that is over 40k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Here is the other thing to keep in mind with Tesla. They have not even begun to update their existing models. Where is that cash going to come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Here is the other thing to keep in mind with Tesla. They have not even begun to update their existing models. Where is that cash going to come from? Uh, the Model S just got a refresh a few years ago [/sarcasm] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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