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#161 OFFLINE   fuzzymoomoo

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 10:34 AM

I know its a hot button topic with some, but honestly I wouldnt mind the Diesel engine going away in anything smaller than a F-250 size truck. Theyre pollution machines and theres nothing that can make it as clean as a gas engine, not that Im saying a gas engine is all that clean.
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Posted 12 July 2018 - 10:52 AM

I had a 2012 Edge with the 2.0. It was plenty fast up to about 75-80. Then it would lose it breath.

 

The Explorer 2.0 was adequate but barely. You had to beat it to get it moving, and then negating any fuel savings because you are always in the boost. If you drove it like a senior citizen, it was fine. My 76 year old uncle had one and he loved it because he drove it like he was 76. I understand why they went with the 2.3. If they upped the by 25 and tq by 30-40 with the 8 speed the 2.0 would work in the Explorer. 

 

Now, I own Fusion 2.0 now. It is a pretty nice engine. I think Ford has a pretty conservative tune for this engine. I am not sure if it's the transmission limitations, fuel grade, or engine longevity but tuners are pulling much more HP with just a tune with little to no FE hit. Whatever the reason, I don't think the 2.0 is a bad engine at all. I have taken the Audi/VW 2.0 out on many occasions and the ecoboost is way better. I've yet to ride in a GM 2.0 but I could see it being adequate with the 9 speed in the Traverse.


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Posted 12 July 2018 - 12:19 PM

Do they use it on an Explorer competitor or on smaller vehicles?

 

Audi Q7, Chevy Traverse, Volvo XC90, Mazda CX-9, VW Altas... I'm sure I forgot a few.



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Posted 12 July 2018 - 01:06 PM

 

Audi Q7, Chevy Traverse, Volvo XC90, Mazda CX-9, VW Altas... I'm sure I forgot a few.

 

Well Ford's 2.0L seems to be on par with the others as far as power is concerned, so either those vehicles are lighter than the Explorer or the other vehicles are slower.

 

I don't understand why you think Ford using a slightly larger engine for better performance means the 2.0L is a bad engine?


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Posted 12 July 2018 - 01:39 PM

FYI, Mazda CX-9 uses a 2.5 GDIT, not a 2.0 T.
 
Sure, manufacturers are forced to use a 2.0T in certain markets but it doesn't mean they
wouldn't trade it in a heart beat for a more powerful engine, customer satisfaction is key here.
 And even though a 2.0 T is available in Traverse, you can be sure that it's not the preferred engine.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 05:24 PM

the diesel ban in some European cities is reactionary
to alarm at pollution levels and to VWs misdeeds,
Perhaps tighter controls on diesel emissions and
the work done by Bosch will serve as a reprieve
for diesel until the full roll out of electric vehicles
occurs - they need both for now

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 08:27 PM

I don’t think the assertion that the Explorer is a heavier vehicle than the Traverse is true. The Traverse is actually a bigger vehicle.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 08:29 PM

I dont think the assertion that the Explorer is a heavier vehicle than the Traverse is true. The Traverse is actually a bigger vehicle.

But the Traverse is also brand new on an updated platform. The Explorer meanwhile is pushing 10 years old riding on a 15 year old platform that has been noted as being heavier than it probably should be.
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Posted 12 July 2018 - 08:42 PM

I know its a hot button topic with some, but honestly I wouldnt mind the Diesel engine going away in anything smaller than a F-250 size truck. Theyre pollution machines and theres nothing that can make it as clean as a gas engine, not that Im saying a gas engine is all that clean.


Several studies from multiple countries disagree. Diesel with dpf systems are cleaner then gas. My exhaust system on my f350 is as clean after 40,000 miles as it was brand new. Not an ounce of any type of soot. Cant say that on gas cars.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 08:55 PM

Several studies from multiple countries disagree. Diesel with dpf systems are cleaner then gas. My exhaust system on my f350 is as clean after 40,000 miles as it was brand new. Not an ounce of any type of soot. Cant say that on gas cars.

Then we should be banning gas engines, not diesel.
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Posted 12 July 2018 - 10:09 PM

Aviator has a larger standard screen but it won't get the vertical screen because it's limited by the dashboard design.  I don't particularly like the Aviator dashboard design, I think the floating detached infotainment screen is an old idea which makes it look way out of step now in such an expensive car, but it's something you can get over.  Lincoln doesn't quite have the budget for something as bespoke as what the Germans are doing with their dashboard screens and software.  


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Posted 13 July 2018 - 05:39 AM

Then we should be banning gas engines, not diesel.

Why? Both engines burn far cleaner today then 10 years ago nevermind 20 years ago. They are both equally clean.

My point is there is no reason to ban diesel, they are not what they used to be unless of course people delete.

Look at all the 18 wheelers now with dpf and def... never an ounce of soot going in the air and it sure is nice not being stuck behind them smelling the exhaust fumes.

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 09:29 AM

Aviator has a larger standard screen but it won't get the vertical screen because it's limited by the dashboard design.  I don't particularly like the Aviator dashboard design, I think the floating detached infotainment screen is an old idea which makes it look way out of step now in such an expensive car, but it's something you can get over.  Lincoln doesn't quite have the budget for something as bespoke as what the Germans are doing with their dashboard screens and software.  

 

Nobody seems to mind the tablet in BMWs.


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Posted 13 July 2018 - 09:51 PM

Aviator has a larger standard screen but it won't get the vertical screen because it's limited by the dashboard design.  I don't particularly like the Aviator dashboard design, I think the floating detached infotainment screen is an old idea which makes it look way out of step now in such an expensive car, but it's something you can get over.  Lincoln doesn't quite have the budget for something as bespoke as what the Germans are doing with their dashboard screens and software.  



I think the looks are subjective. I do not prefer the 2019 Mercedes design. I actually think the Lincoln dash looks better.








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