fordmantpw Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Luckily, we haven't had to worry about car seats for quite a while now. We can fit three comfortably in our 2nd row seat, but the seat belts are a bit of a pain to buckle. With my kids getting older, we'll probably end up with an Edge or Escape for my wife's next vehicle (or maybe a Bronco if I can talk her into it ). We are in the exact same situation. I'm already working on convincing my wife the Bronco is the way to go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 I didnt realize Traverse had it. Even so, how does that prove that GM can get by with the 2.0L while Ford is forced to use the 2.3L because the 2.0 isnt good enough? Do the GM 2.0s perform the same as the Ford 2.3s? Or does Ford provide better performance then their GM counterparts? I was just answering your question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 We are in the exact same situation. I'm already working on convincing my wife the Bronco is the way to go. If only everyone was as lucky as me. Im getting a Ranger and she can deal with it since she wont need to drive it (she H.A.T.E.S. driving trucks). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 (edited) The Ranger definitely feels more compliant to drive than other 4WD mid sized trucks I've driven, maybe your sense will be different but quite a few women in Aus like driving them too. Edited July 12, 2018 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 If only everyone was as lucky as me. Im getting a Ranger and she can deal with it since she wont need to drive it (she H.A.T.E.S. driving trucks). Well, it would be my wife's vehicle, so I do let her have a choice. I'm nice like that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Well, it would be my wife's vehicle, so I do let her have a choice. I'm nice like that. You failed to mention that the first time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 We are in the exact same situation. I'm already working on convincing my wife the Bronco is the way to go. I'm also intrigued by the Mach 1 (or whatever they'll call it), the Ford Model E and the Tesla Model Y. She rarely drives further than 20 miles a day and the majority of the time she's parked at home or at our office. She could plug in at home or at the office and never have to buy gas. We'd still have my truck & company car for longer trips. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 I'm also intrigued by the Mach 1 (or whatever they'll call it), the Ford Model E and the Tesla Model Y. She rarely drives further than 20 miles a day and the majority of the time she's parked at home or at our office. She could plug in at home or at the office and never have to buy gas. We'd still have my truck & company car for longer trips. That's where PHEVs play well for folks who don't have that second or third vehicle. You get 30 miles of electric range most of the time and unlimited range on gasoline for longer trips. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 A 2.0 Turbo gas engine wont work properly in such a large, heavy vehicle, Ford already showed that by switching from 2.0 EB to 2.3 EB in the Explorer. Ford switched to 2.3 EB because their 2.0 EB didn't cut it.Everyone else figured out how to do it with just 2.0 liter. The Traverse & Camaro both have 2.0L Turbo engines. I happened to be working at Ford when the Explorer was launched and management had promised the 2.0L EB. I personally know the Technical Specialist who advised management NOT to launch with that engine. It was available post Job #1 but only on FWD to minimize weight. An Explorer is a much heavier vehicle than a Traverse or Camaro. The 2.0L EB is quite capable in an Edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Ford switched to 2.3 EB because their 2.0 EB didn't cut it.Everyone else figured out how to do it with just 2.0 liter. Ford needs a new 2.0 turbo. It will be a major fail of epic proportions if thet are not working on one to debut with CD6 Explorer. They'll need it also for the new Escape and next gen Edge. Diesel will become ever more marginalized in the market. It won't go away completely but if you can only drive your fancy SUV on the weekends on countryside B roads, then what is the point? Diesel SUV registration in Europe are going down... it's 50% lower than before - diesel had account for 70% of SUV sales but this year, it plummeted to 35%. This is not a knee jerk reaction... it is a paradigm shift like the move away from sedan to SUV in the US. The writing is on the wall and once the current model cycle runs its course, these SUVs will all be replaced by gasoline PHEV or pure EV. https://global.handelsblatt.com/companies/diesel-suv-sales-collapsing-study-reveals-931960 Not a knee jerk reaction? So it has nothing to do with diesel sales drastically dropping only after the VW thing? Cities in Europe banning diesels suddenly after the VW thing? Nobody seemed to have a problem with them before, when they thought they were within regulations. Now they're not, let's not fix it, let's ban everything! It may be a shift.....but a shift caused by a knee jerk reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 I know its a hot button topic with some, but honestly I wouldnt mind the Diesel engine going away in anything smaller than a F-250 size truck. Theyre pollution machines and theres nothing that can make it as clean as a gas engine, not that Im saying a gas engine is all that clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 I had a 2012 Edge with the 2.0. It was plenty fast up to about 75-80. Then it would lose it breath. The Explorer 2.0 was adequate but barely. You had to beat it to get it moving, and then negating any fuel savings because you are always in the boost. If you drove it like a senior citizen, it was fine. My 76 year old uncle had one and he loved it because he drove it like he was 76. I understand why they went with the 2.3. If they upped the by 25 and tq by 30-40 with the 8 speed the 2.0 would work in the Explorer. Now, I own Fusion 2.0 now. It is a pretty nice engine. I think Ford has a pretty conservative tune for this engine. I am not sure if it's the transmission limitations, fuel grade, or engine longevity but tuners are pulling much more HP with just a tune with little to no FE hit. Whatever the reason, I don't think the 2.0 is a bad engine at all. I have taken the Audi/VW 2.0 out on many occasions and the ecoboost is way better. I've yet to ride in a GM 2.0 but I could see it being adequate with the 9 speed in the Traverse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Do they use it on an Explorer competitor or on smaller vehicles? Audi Q7, Chevy Traverse, Volvo XC90, Mazda CX-9, VW Altas... I'm sure I forgot a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Audi Q7, Chevy Traverse, Volvo XC90, Mazda CX-9, VW Altas... I'm sure I forgot a few. Well Ford's 2.0L seems to be on par with the others as far as power is concerned, so either those vehicles are lighter than the Explorer or the other vehicles are slower. I don't understand why you think Ford using a slightly larger engine for better performance means the 2.0L is a bad engine? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 (edited) FYI, Mazda CX-9 uses a 2.5 GDIT, not a 2.0 T. Sure, manufacturers are forced to use a 2.0T in certain markets but it doesn't mean they wouldn't trade it in a heart beat for a more powerful engine, customer satisfaction is key here. And even though a 2.0 T is available in Traverse, you can be sure that it's not the preferred engine. Edited July 12, 2018 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 (edited) the diesel ban in some European cities is reactionary to alarm at pollution levels and to VWs misdeeds, Perhaps tighter controls on diesel emissions and the work done by Bosch will serve as a reprieve for diesel until the full roll out of electric vehicles occurs - they need both for now Edited July 12, 2018 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I don’t think the assertion that the Explorer is a heavier vehicle than the Traverse is true. The Traverse is actually a bigger vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I dont think the assertion that the Explorer is a heavier vehicle than the Traverse is true. The Traverse is actually a bigger vehicle. But the Traverse is also brand new on an updated platform. The Explorer meanwhile is pushing 10 years old riding on a 15 year old platform that has been noted as being heavier than it probably should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I know its a hot button topic with some, but honestly I wouldnt mind the Diesel engine going away in anything smaller than a F-250 size truck. Theyre pollution machines and theres nothing that can make it as clean as a gas engine, not that Im saying a gas engine is all that clean. Several studies from multiple countries disagree. Diesel with dpf systems are cleaner then gas. My exhaust system on my f350 is as clean after 40,000 miles as it was brand new. Not an ounce of any type of soot. Cant say that on gas cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Several studies from multiple countries disagree. Diesel with dpf systems are cleaner then gas. My exhaust system on my f350 is as clean after 40,000 miles as it was brand new. Not an ounce of any type of soot. Cant say that on gas cars. Then we should be banning gas engines, not diesel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 (edited) Aviator has a larger standard screen but it won't get the vertical screen because it's limited by the dashboard design. I don't particularly like the Aviator dashboard design, I think the floating detached infotainment screen is an old idea which makes it look way out of step now in such an expensive car, but it's something you can get over. Lincoln doesn't quite have the budget for something as bespoke as what the Germans are doing with their dashboard screens and software. Edited July 13, 2018 by Assimilator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 (edited) Then we should be banning gas engines, not diesel.Why? Both engines burn far cleaner today then 10 years ago nevermind 20 years ago. They are both equally clean. My point is there is no reason to ban diesel, they are not what they used to be unless of course people delete. Look at all the 18 wheelers now with dpf and def... never an ounce of soot going in the air and it sure is nice not being stuck behind them smelling the exhaust fumes. Edited July 13, 2018 by blwnsmoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Aviator has a larger standard screen but it won't get the vertical screen because it's limited by the dashboard design. I don't particularly like the Aviator dashboard design, I think the floating detached infotainment screen is an old idea which makes it look way out of step now in such an expensive car, but it's something you can get over. Lincoln doesn't quite have the budget for something as bespoke as what the Germans are doing with their dashboard screens and software. Nobody seems to mind the tablet in BMWs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Aviator has a larger standard screen but it won't get the vertical screen because it's limited by the dashboard design. I don't particularly like the Aviator dashboard design, I think the floating detached infotainment screen is an old idea which makes it look way out of step now in such an expensive car, but it's something you can get over. Lincoln doesn't quite have the budget for something as bespoke as what the Germans are doing with their dashboard screens and software. I think the looks are subjective. I do not prefer the 2019 Mercedes design. I actually think the Lincoln dash looks better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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