2b2 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Ford still had no problems selling the current Explorer or Escape when gas was $3-4 a gallon in 2013-14 really? - 2013 ----- 2017 ---------------- 158,344 - 238,056 - Explorer 038,062 - 051,883 - Expedition 619,470 - 796,302 - all SuvCuvs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted May 21, 2018 Author Share Posted May 21, 2018 really? - 2013 ----- 2017 ---------------- 158,344 - 238,056 - Explorer 038,062 - 051,883 - Expedition 619,470 - 796,302 - all SuvCuvs You have to go back a bit more-Take a look at 2008, gas was ~ $3.25 Sales still climbed even with gas prices increased Other factors at play- Great Recession and increasing demand for CUVs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
351cid Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 If anything they should be fast tracking the hybrid utilities. Nobody is going from a 24 mpg Edge to a 27 mpg Fusion because gas prices went up. I'll bet a bunch will keep their 2015 Fusions and not move up to a 2019 Edge because of gas price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
351cid Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 believe it or not, this is a Focus Active - called a crossover because its 30mm higher ride height As I understand it, that car will be built in China, correct? I'll not buy a car built in China. This is not an option for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 (edited) ^ do we know if China will build both bodystyles or only the sedan? & what about the wagon? Edited May 21, 2018 by 2b2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 ^ do we know if China will build both bodystyles or only the sedan? US is only getting the active, which is a hatchback. Side note: god I hope they ditch the active part. Stupid name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Mostly it's a style change. Can't hope or wish for sedan comeback, have to move on. Ford isn't going to read these comments and then suddenly "hold off". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 yeah...ditch active...come out with the Focus Obese. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 US is only getting the active, which is a hatchback. Side note: god I hope they ditch the active part. Stupid name. I wanted to know about what's getting BUILT where & if we know for certain? my impression: hatch & wagon in europe sedan in China btw the Fusion OrderGuide seems to apply SEL & Active to the same trim/level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I'll bet a bunch will keep their 2015 Fusions and not move up to a 2019 Edge because of gas price. And I’ll bet you haven’t looked at fuel economy numbers recently because there isn’t much difference between a Fusion and an Edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 If someone doesnt choose an Edge over a Fusion its likely due to Ford not offering as good of deals on Edges vs an Escape or Explorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 going to be interesting in 2019 when the 3.5 V6 becomes basically non existent......the 2.0 eco boost is std in everything up to the Limiteds, V6 not even an option.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 (edited) US is only getting the active, which is a hatchback. Side note: god I hope they ditch the active part. Stupid name. I wouldn't rule out wagon and sedan Active, just like ST-line, which started as hatchback only but now will be available in all three body styles. Edited May 21, 2018 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pffan1990 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I wanted to know about what's getting BUILT where & if we know for certain? my impression: hatch & wagon in europe sedan in China My understanding is that both China and Germany will build the new Focus however the ones that were originally going to be sent to us for the 2020 model year, which were going to be sedan, hatchback, and Active crossover, were going to be Chinese-made as far as the lower trim lines like S, SE, and SEL. The Titanium, and the ST and RS high performance trimlines were going to come from Germany. However, with Ford's recent change with us only getting the Active, it will be Chinese-made for all trims. I could be wrong with what I said. Anyone please correct my mistakes but what I said is what I understand from Ford's announcements and the articles I've seen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 My understanding is that both China and Germany will build the new Focus however the ones that were originally going to be sent to us for the 2020 model year, which were going to be sedan, hatchback, and Active crossover, were going to be Chinese-made as far as the lower trim lines like S, SE, and SEL. The Titanium, and the ST and RS high performance trimlines were going to come from Germany. However, with Ford's recent change with us only getting the Active, it will be Chinese-made for all trims. I could be wrong with what I said. Anyone please correct my mistakes but what I said is what I understand from Ford's announcements and the articles I've seen. You nailed it. Everything is coming from China and we wont get a new ST or RS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted May 22, 2018 Author Share Posted May 22, 2018 You nailed it. Everything is coming from China and we wont get a new ST or RS. I don't think the RS sold that well anyways in the US-not many people want to pony up 42K for a Focus Christ I think the one that a kid/young adult has that visits my neighbor has a tacky dealer add on RS sticker to boot Then again I saw 2-3 of them (including the one above) coming come from work one day-but yet I have yet to see really and GT350s in the area-even though someone owns one in my town-from a FB post I saw. I like the RS, but i'm over 40 and I wouldn't want to deal with all the asshole kids that would want to race me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 I don't think the RS sold that well anyways in the US-not many people want to pony up 42K for a Focus Christ I think the one that a kid/young adult has that visits my neighbor has a tacky dealer add on RS sticker to boot Then again I saw 2-3 of them (including the one above) coming come from work one day-but yet I have yet to see really and GT350s in the area-even though someone owns one in my town-from a FB post I saw. I like the RS, but i'm over 40 and I wouldn't want to deal with all the asshole kids that would want to race me. Let's set the record straight on why the RS was sitting on the lots not selling. Dealer markup for that first year was atrocious! I've never seen dealers be more greedy on a car. Sticker was 37, asking 47 and not budging! By the time dealers got desperate, the whole head gasket issue was becoming known. So now we have 2 model years overstocked on dealer lots with lots of head gasket videos going up on youtube. Then when they finally brought prices down to sticker and a bit below, the mania had mostly died. Then the dealers complained that nobody was buying them. Now 2018 is the final year and we probably won't ever see them again. I looked at a 2016 and 2017 before I bought my Fusion. Both dealers treated me like I was worthless and didn't want to negotiate. Add to that there is no A/Z plan (which I accepted). Oh and Focus had 0% financing for 72 months but not for the RS (cherry on top). I could have gotten a loan through a bank but both were also being bastards about my trade (final straw). I happened to see my Fusion not to far away so I took a look. They gave me the most on my trade by 1k, 1500 cash back, Z plan, and 0% for 72. That was the last time I thought about the RS. The head gasket problems (which I know has been identified and can be fixed) made me glad I didn't buy it. I don't have time to sit and waste at a dealer. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) I wanted to know about what's getting BUILT where & if we know for certain? my impression: hatch & wagon in europe sedan in China All variants will be built in Germany, although the sedan will not be sold in some EU markets. China is the only other confirmed assembly point for the MK4 hatch and sedan, and the only market where the wagon ACTIVE has been shown in a couple of pictures at the auto show there. Images below are the ones shown at the China MK4 reveal, and the wagon ACTIVE mule spied on the street in the UK. There was zero mention of the wagon ACTIVE at the Europe reveal. Edited May 22, 2018 by MKII 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) I don't think the RS sold that well anyways in the US-not many people want to pony up 42K for a Focus How many would have to sell to make you think it sold okay? MK3 Focus RS 2016 - 2018 the plant Saarlouis assembled 34,034 RS MK2 Focus RS. 2008 - 2010 the plant Saarlouis assembled 11,500 RS Without knowing how many sold in USA it is difficult to say or think if it sold well or not. But with triple the amount produced one could also think that the RS sold well in the USA. But to tow the line here, it does not matter how many they sold but how many $$$$$$'s were made on each unit. Edited May 22, 2018 by MKII 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 How many would have to sell to make you think it sold okay? MK3 Focus RS 2016 - 2918 the plant Saarlouis assembled 34,034 RS MK2 Focus RS. 2008 - 2010 the plant Saarlouis assembled 11,500 RS Without knowing how many sold in USA it is difficult to say or think if it sold well or not. But with triple the amount produced one could also think that the RS sold well in the USA. But to tow the line here, it does not matter how many they sold but how many $$$$$$'s were made on each unit. the 3 2016 RS my dealer has sitting in their showroom right now suggests theyre not selling very fast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted May 22, 2018 Author Share Posted May 22, 2018 How many would have to sell to make you think it sold okay? MK3 Focus RS 2016 - 2918 the plant Saarlouis assembled 34,034 RS MK2 Focus RS. 2008 - 2010 the plant Saarlouis assembled 11,500 RS Without knowing how many sold in USA it is difficult to say or think if it sold well or not. But with triple the amount produced one could also think that the RS sold well in the USA. But to tow the line here, it does not matter how many they sold but how many $$$$$$'s were made on each unit. the 3 2016 RS my dealer has sitting in their showroom right now suggests theyre not selling very fast IIRC they imported about 2500 of them to the US As empirical data has shown-outside of some die hard Ford fans', they've been bolted to the sale floor-partly due to dealer greed, head gasket issues and pricing. I'm glad they brought the car over, but apparently this product didn't connect with the buying public. Then again did they every advertise it either? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 IIRC they imported about 2500 of them to the US As empirical data has shown-outside of some die hard Ford fans', they've been bolted to the sale floor-partly due to dealer greed, head gasket issues and pricing. I'm glad they brought the car over, but apparently this product didn't connect with the buying public. Then again did they every advertise it either? A lot of people had a hard time shelling out $40k for a Focus. It didn't matter how good the car is (many publications refer to it as god on wheels), the price even before the dealer markups just wasn't going to fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted May 22, 2018 Author Share Posted May 22, 2018 A lot of people had a hard time shelling out $40k for a Focus. It didn't matter how good the car is (many publications refer to it as god on wheels), the price even before the dealer markups just wasn't going to fly. True, but what else on the marketplace offered that type of performance? One issue is that it didn't have a STI or GTI badge on it. You'd think the ST would have paved the way for it, but it also shows you why the car buying public doesn't want to spend big $$$ on cars at that level of the market. Special Edition Mustangs sell because they are Mustangs...seems like all the other lines that have performance models aren't quite there yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 True, but what else on the marketplace offered that type of performance? One issue is that it didn't have a STI or GTI badge on it. You'd think the ST would have paved the way for it, but it also shows you why the car buying public doesn't want to spend big $$$ on cars at that level of the market. Special Edition Mustangs sell because they are Mustangs...seems like all the other lines that have performance models aren't quite there yet. a base Focus RS was 6k over a fully loaded ST AND Titanium. Too big of a gap. You dont see that big of a gap with special edition Mustangs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 a base Focus RS was 6k over a fully loaded ST AND Titanium. Too big of a gap. You dont see that big of a gap with special edition Mustangs. I totally disagree. Folks have been buying these types of cars for years in that price range (see Suburu and Mitsubishi). Both of those cars start as econoboxes. I've already outlined what the problem was above. I really think they did not stock too many lower price range RS's. I was looking for a base (36) to 40k car. I didn't need an extra set of tires. You can carry your biases about the Focus, but crap, people are paying 50k and more for the CIVIC Type R. People will pay the price for souped up econoboxes, if the performance is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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