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#41 OFFLINE   jpd80

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Posted 12 May 2018 - 04:01 PM

 

"Starting small" with autonomous vehicle testing but doing it as soon as possible could be the way to go. Drive.ai CEO S. Tandon said "We know there are hard problems. We know we will solve them over time. We know we want to do something today.”

 

Excellent Car and Driver article about Drive.ai's Autonomous Shuttle service that will kick off this July in Frisco, Texas in the DFW Metroplex. https://www.caranddr...orkers-to-lunch

 

 

The problem is that regulators have agreed to beta testing on public roads without

fully understanding the tech and its limitations. 

 

Any other vehicle type with such a glaring lack of inherent  safety to the public (competent operator)

wold be immediately removed from public use but somehow, there is a huge perception gap with AVs.

We want them so badly that we're prepared to give away all the necessary checks and validation tests....

 

All the talk in the world about triple redundancy is useless if the basic system can't detect obstacles and

pedestrians it's supposed to avoid. Even some simple tests to prove that the system responds adequately

to avoidable objects that move into the vehicle's path.

 

And the reason Google and Uber want to field test without tests in place is because they know that

their systems are not perfect and most likely fail the expectations of a most basic test, avoiding pedestrians.


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#42 OFFLINE   OX1

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Posted 12 May 2018 - 08:57 PM

I consider some things to be inevitable ... like:

- lawmakers sticking completely ignorant noses where they doN'T belong

- tech-types [fore-]seeing only what they want/like

- the rich not giving a sheise about the needs of the non-rich

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- how many have to die to give up on it?

 

It's sad the crappy memorial they have at that site. 

Just a tiny pole with a little blimp on it. Can barely see it. 


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#43 OFFLINE   MKX1960

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 04:38 PM

Uber has pulled out of Arizona costing 300 jobs.

https://www.yahoo.co...-132704038.html



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Posted 25 May 2018 - 11:06 AM

 

I don't think fares would cost half as much.  They may go down, but nowhere near 50%.

 

 

 

It's great to have another software engineer on the forum who feels the same way.  Welcome to the club! :)

 

I am a mechanical engineer and have worked for a supplier that is developing their own autonomous program. I don't see any point with current technology that true self driving cars will work... there will need to be major infrastructure put in place to guide the cars and let them know where they are and where they should be. there are too many variables and computers aren't smart enough yet. It will come someday but there needs to be set rules on how it will work and how the system be built.


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Posted 25 May 2018 - 12:03 PM



I am a mechanical engineer and have worked for a supplier that is developing their own autonomous program. I don't see any point with current technology that true self driving cars will work... there will need to be major infrastructure put in place to guide the cars and let them know where they are and where they should be. there are too many variables and computers aren't smart enough yet. It will come someday but there needs to be set rules on how it will work and how the system be built.

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maaaaaybe&other-than for very-limited-access Highways,

it's gonna HAVE to be something like a virtual-slotcars track or railroad


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Posted 26 May 2018 - 06:09 PM

Finally is this a plan so people have to lease cars or use only Uber (lord hope not) and never own cars again.

Falling into the master plan I heard someone say in 2002, we'd never own a book, music, movie again, it will all be a monthly service.

It's a neo-feudal, company town kind of model.


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Posted 26 May 2018 - 09:55 PM

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maaaaaybe&other-than for very-limited-access Highways,

it's gonna HAVE to be something like a virtual-slotcars track or railroad

Start with freeways and have vehicles move together would be the best iniator

beyond intelligent cruise and and lane center but vehicles still need to interact

with each other and communicate electronically...still a long way to go.



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Posted 27 May 2018 - 08:21 AM

Haven't been following thread that closely but again, how about this scenario...driver less car detects vehicle crossing center line and about to hit head on.  Two people standing on right curb line.  Does autonomous vehicle pick the right option?  Most drivers would I do believe.


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Posted 29 May 2018 - 04:31 AM

Be like the Arizona Uber and do nothing.....


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Posted 29 May 2018 - 07:02 AM

Be like the Arizona Uber and do nothing.....

Uber announced last week they are shutting down the self driving program.
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Posted 29 May 2018 - 07:52 AM

Be like the Arizona Uber and do nothing.....

For sure-  But just like  there are several on this thread who insist this will be better, I live in a Hi tech neighborhood and am constantly told how wrong I am..."it will reduce accidents".  And I agree-the rear end collisions, side swipes etc.  

 

But that technology that is available today is a far cry from turning the vehicle over to a "system".  Perhaps some day but IMO for sure that scenario is bering driven by the Silicon Valley crowd-Hackett's pals.

 

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