slumlord Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 I know there is a switch to press in the center console to turn off the auto start/stop. There is also a setting in the speedo display menu. I set that to OFF and then tried to save it but it seems to reset every time the car is back on. What is the point of the setting in the display that takes multiple steps to get to and can only be done while the car is not moving but it only does the same thing as the button on the center console? This seems pointless. I even tried to add it to the memory setting once I cleared it but that didn't work either. What's the point?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajcomputer Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 The setting in the cluster is for a separate "feature" where it will shut the car off of it is left idling in park for too long. Both are designed to enable on every key cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slumlord Posted April 4, 2018 Author Share Posted April 4, 2018 Well if you turn that on it also stops the auto shutdown at the stop lights too. I really hate that "feature" I guess I will just keep hitting the center console button for now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I have it on my new F150 and I like it. If you get past the idea that you don’t like it and try it you’ll probably find that it’s not all that bad and it does save gas. I’m getting 21 mpg with the 3.5LEB - way better than I expected. You can put a dummy plug into the trailer wiring or you might be able to do it with Forscan. But honestly it’s easier to just get used to it and enjoy the fuel savings. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucelinc Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I know there is a switch to press in the center console to turn off the auto start/stop. There is also a setting in the speedo display menu. I set that to OFF and then tried to save it but it seems to reset every time the car is back on. What is the point of the setting in the display that takes multiple steps to get to and can only be done while the car is not moving but it only does the same thing as the button on the center console? This seems pointless. I even tried to add it to the memory setting once I cleared it but that didn't work either. What's the point?? If you do a search for "disable auto stop/start," you will find a number of solutions. Most of the people I know who don't like it just get in the habit of pressing the button at start up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slumlord Posted April 4, 2018 Author Share Posted April 4, 2018 It is a stupid thing that should have an option to turn off perm. I believe it isn't for fuel savings but more for pollution control yes? Oh and additional wear and tear on the starter motor and on the engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slumlord Posted April 4, 2018 Author Share Posted April 4, 2018 Oh and yes I have seen the "fixes" one to plug in a trailer plug to make the truck think a trailer is hooked up perm. Or the second to get a programmer and edit the computer. Both can work but you would think with an almost 100k vehicle you could just shut it off with an option in the menu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 It’s definitely for fuel savings which also translates to lower emissions. If folks would get over the idea that they hate it and just try it for a couple of weeks 90% of them would find it’s not that big of a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slumlord Posted April 4, 2018 Author Share Posted April 4, 2018 I left it on a few times and I still think it is annoying. I know oils and technology has changed a little but when I was first learning about engines we were told (and shown) that most of the engines wear comes at startup when all the oil is down. Now granted things have come a long way and surely all the oil doesn't drain down to the oil pan in a few seconds but depending on how long you stop for it might. From what I read you could save upto around $4 a week using stop start. For the $208 a year in fuel savings (or less I would guess) I would rather have a piece of mind knowing I don't have as much wear on the starter or engine. I guess I am becoming a stubborn old man but I don't like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Well hybrids have been doing it for well over 15 years now. Have you ever heard of an internal engine problem in a hybrid? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Its not like starter haven't been beefed up to handle the extra strain of stop/start either. Lots of bitching over something that saves you money is just about invisible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I left it on a few times and I still think it is annoying. I know oils and technology has changed a little but when I was first learning about engines we were told (and shown) that most of the engines wear comes at startup when all the oil is down. Now granted things have come a long way and surely all the oil doesn't drain down to the oil pan in a few seconds but depending on how long you stop for it might. From what I read you could save upto around $4 a week using stop start. For the $208 a year in fuel savings (or less I would guess) I would rather have a piece of mind knowing I don't have as much wear on the starter or engine. I guess I am becoming a stubborn old man but I don't like it. COLD STARTUP! Stop/start won't work if the engine is not up to temp, too cold outside, etc. Starters are a lot better than they were 20 years ago. I've had it on my 2015 F150 and I have the opposite reaction, I want it to be MORE active. Too many red lights with the engine still running when I think it should be off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 COLD STARTUP! Stop/start won't work if the engine is not up to temp, too cold outside, etc. Starters are a lot better than they were 20 years ago. I've had it on my 2015 F150 and I have the opposite reaction, I want it to be MORE active. Too many red lights with the engine still running when I think it should be off. Also - battery condition, A/C, etc. - there is a long list of things that will prevent it from shutting off. I’m with you though - I get disappointed when it doesn’t shut off sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I've had it on my 2015 F150 and I have the opposite reaction, I want it to be MORE active. Too many red lights with the engine still running when I think it should be off. I noticed that same thing with the rental Escapes I had Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Kinda wishing my 2017 MKC had it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slumlord Posted April 4, 2018 Author Share Posted April 4, 2018 Ok I just left it on for a few errands. One time it actually shut off as I pulled into a parking spot, I then hit PARK and it turned back on and then I had to shut it off. So that is normal? Even if everyone loves the feature all I am saying is there should be an option to shut it off perm. If it is so great why does it not work in all driving modes or when a trailer is connected? How would the people who like the feature feel if every time you got in your truck you had to hit a button to turn it on? A simple setting/option is all I am asking for. I have colored interior lights for Christ's sake I don't have to pick the color I want every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Yes an option to disable it permanently would be better, but I'm pretty sure they don't do that because then they couldn't use it towards EPA fuel economy testing. It always runs when it's in Park because if it's in park and you want to shut it off, you can do that yourself. There are at least a dozen if not more things that it takes into account when deciding when and how long it can safely shut off the engine. Just forget about it and drive, or get Forscan and turn it off. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HofstraJet Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Yes an option to disable it permanently would be better, but I'm pretty sure they don't do that because then they couldn't use it towards EPA fuel economy testing. It always runs when it's in Park because if it's in park and you want to shut it off, you can do that yourself. There are at least a dozen if not more things that it takes into account when deciding when and how long it can safely shut off the engine. Just forget about it and drive, or get Forscan and turn it off. The bolded portion above, IMHO, is why they have this feature - so they can boast about the fuel economy ratings in marketing materials to compare to other vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 The bolded portion above, IMHO, is why they have this feature - so they can boast about the fuel economy ratings in marketing materials to compare to other vehicles. But it does actually work in real life driving. It’s not just a marketing thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slumlord Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 Sure it works but it saves pennies depending on how much you drive a year it might be only a small amount of fuel per year. https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/fact-861-february-23-2015-idle-fuel-consumption-selected-gasoline-and-diesel-vehicles Maybe 1/2 gallon(ish) per hour of idle so overall per year I might save maybe $2 a week (but probably even less) so for me it isn't worth it. It might work for others but I am glad I got a programmer and turned it off perm. All I wanted was a setting. Now my starter, battery, and my engine won't have as much wear on it. So even if that barely makes a difference now mine will last even longer, and I don't feel like my car stalls out. I would also guess if anything remote starting your car probably wastes more fuel than before it existed and people just got in and drove to warm up (or cool off) their cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) I actually like it, but it does change your behavior when driving which is probably a good thing for economy. It means I do less creeping at a light so it stays off and I tend to give the engine a second to spool up before I hit the gas even if it's not needed. In some cars it actually eliminates that rough I4 idling at a light, something I notice mostly in cars like the Escape. For the most part, the smaller the engine the less intrusive it seems to be since the startup is quieter. Edited May 1, 2018 by Assimilator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 It’s not smooth at all on diesels in Europe - lots of complaints. But it’s super smooth on my 3.5EB F150 which is the same engine as the Navigator and Expedition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boredinbirmingham Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 I think my big issue with this feature is the immediate panic that sets in when the vehicle turns off, this taps into deep repressed issues of driving the cars i owned in my 20s that could fail (and often did) at any moment. Dont get me wrong, I love my classic carburetored car and the planet but its a feeling I guess will take a while to get over lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 You get used to it. I had the same anxiety at first but now I actually get perturbed when it doesn’t shut off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seijirou Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Does anybody have the verified configuration to turn this off on a 2018 Navigator using Forscan? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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