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#41 OFFLINE   akirby

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 11:03 AM

A journalist up in Canada says that after driving crossovers, even a Camry Hybrid on winter tires feels like a sports car. http://www.autotrade...a-camry-hybrid/


An automotive journalist is not an average driver. For every one of them there are thousands of other drivers who wouldn’t notice a difference.

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 11:04 AM

It’s also interesting nobody ever says the same thing about minivans.

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 12:42 PM

It’s also interesting nobody ever says the same thing about minivans.

 

Next to a minivan, a casket seems like a sport car hahaha!


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 10:08 PM

Ironically my best friends daughter is about to graduate high school and Grandma gave her, her '06 Rav 4.  So it's a gift, I told her to smile, say thank you.  SO we took the vehicle back home and dissected it. Not sure what the orgasm is with Toyota, but honestly it's a buzzy, chintzy, puny feeling vehicle. Even her mother's '05 Mazda5 feels more solidly put together. I'm trying to "compare" what a similar year Escape "felt like", and it felt nothing like this at all. Touching the buttons, the gear shift lever, even slamming the doors shut feels like some '80s GM product. I just kept telling her daughter "Smile, say Thank you"...and even shes like "Why does the vehicle feel so old", she even said the body feels wobbly (as I did a deep turn into our street).  BUT for those who don't know, it'll sell well...​ :whistling:



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Posted 15 April 2018 - 10:23 PM

Ironically my best friends daughter is about to graduate high school and Grandma gave her, her '06 Rav 4.  So it's a gift, I told her to smile, say thank you.  SO we took the vehicle back home and dissected it. Not sure what the orgasm is with Toyota, but honestly it's a buzzy, chintzy, puny feeling vehicle. Even her mother's '05 Mazda5 feels more solidly put together. I'm trying to "compare" what a similar year Escape "felt like", and it felt nothing like this at all.

 

Thank you sir for encouraging that young lady to show appreciation for the gift from her grandma.

 

Compact crossover vehicles from that era were all buzzy, chintzy, puny feeling. RAV4, CR-V, and Forester are the best of that lot and have the highest percentages of owners still operating them after 10 years. https://blog.iseecar...s-keep-forever/. Similar year Ford Escapes are probably sitting in junkyards.


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 08:04 AM

Similar year Ford Escapes are probably sitting in junkyards.


Thats a pretty big assumption, considering I see plenty of that age range of Escapes tooling around my area.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 08:16 AM

And by big assumption you mean absolutely false. Those first gen escapes were pretty solid and they were jointly developed with Mazda on a Mazda platform.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 08:17 AM

Thank you sir for encouraging that young lady to show appreciation for the gift from her grandma.
 
Compact crossover vehicles from that era were all buzzy, chintzy, puny feeling. RAV4, CR-V, and Forester are the best of that lot and have the highest percentages of owners still operating them after 10 years. https://blog.iseecar...s-keep-forever/. Similar year Ford Escapes are probably sitting in junkyards.


Maybe you should read these articles you post more closely before commenting.

Those aren’t the number of vehicles still on the road after 10 years. It’s the number of original owners who still have them. It says absolutely nothing about how many are still on the road.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 09:18 AM

And by big assumption you mean absolutely false. Those first gen escapes were pretty solid and they were jointly developed with Mazda on a Mazda platform.

 

 

IMO there is a huge difference between the 2005 and 2010  Escapes-the 2005s where pretty rough and lacked sound deadening materials that the refreshed model had. 

 

I had a coworker at the time with a 2005 and my Wife got her then new 2010 a few weeks later and I was like holy crap that 2005 was pretty rough. 


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 09:51 AM

 

 

IMO there is a huge difference between the 2005 and 2010  Escapes-the 2005s where pretty rough and lacked sound deadening materials that the refreshed model had. 

 

I had a coworker at the time with a 2005 and my Wife got her then new 2010 a few weeks later and I was like holy crap that 2005 was pretty rough. 

 

Yep, but that doesn't mean they're no longer running which is what rperez was saying.



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Posted 16 April 2018 - 10:16 AM

 
Yep, but that doesn't mean they're no longer running which is what rperez was saying.

the one thats been parked in front of my house for a year says otherwise




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Posted 16 April 2018 - 10:39 AM

Many Detroit cars from the 2000's are falling apart or in junkyards, but the Escape usually isn't one of them, they seem to be very long-lived, especially the I4s. Very few of the Duratec V6's survive today, very expensive repairs doomed those guys.  


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 10:54 AM

Cars dont seem to last as long around here between the shit-tastic roads, the mountains of salt in the winter and (at least in the lower income areas) dubious maintenance practices at best.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 09:14 PM

Many Detroit cars from the 2000's are falling apart or in junkyards, but the Escape usually isn't one of them, they seem to be very long-lived, especially the I4s. Very few of the Duratec V6's survive today, very expensive repairs doomed those guys.  

 

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:24 AM

I know this is a Ford forum and this is not a popular Michigan observation, but Ford has a long history of premature rusting in many of their vehicles.  Everything they made in the 80's and 90's rusted MUCH sooner than their Japanese counterparts.  GM also had excellent rust control while Ford and Chrysler noticeably failed to live long under the same horrible Michigan conditions (Windstar and Taurus were the absolute worst rust buckets).  Ford seemed to finally nail it in the 2000's which is something I've noticed the most with Escape and Focus still hanging in with minimal rust after 15+ years of service.  But it's not uncommon to see 20+ year old 90's GM vehicles with just minor rust in Michigan running with 200,000+ miles on those unstoppable 3800 series engines. 

 

At the time Fords was really good at shaping sheetmetal in sexy new ways, but it was also a lesson in why bold Detroit design became associated with poor quality and everybody shifted over to the imports.  It took a long time for style and quality to match-up again so we could have both.  


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 01:36 AM

Yeah but all of those 90s GMs have no paint left on them, as well as a HOST of electrical gremlins that have no reason to exist. Tell me the last time you saw a 90s GM minivan with turn signals that functioned properly.

Also not true. Ive seen plenty of rust bucket S-10s and Blazers/Jimmys running around. My mother in law actually just traded her shitbox rustbucket for an Escape in November.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 06:06 AM

My 91 Explorer was a rust bucket when I got rid of it. The rocker panels were completely gone. It seemed like a common issue on them. My 2003 Escape looks good from a distance, but is rusted through under the plastic cladding. My 2010 Flex has started to rust at the drain hole on the back of the tailgate, which really sucks because otherwise she looks pristine.








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