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2019 TOYOTA RAV4 FIRST LOOK

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God this this thing is ugly!

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They seem to be in a competition with GM as to who can make the ugliest wheel well openings

 

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/toyota/rav4/2019/2019-toyota-rav4-first-look-review/

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I think it looks terrible, with lots of random, disjointed creases. But I expected nothing less from Toyota.

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I think it looks terrible, with lots of random, disjointed creases. But I expected nothing less from Toyota.

It will still sell like crazy

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It will still sell like crazy

 

Oh absolutely....we'll have to look at them in traffic, unfortunately.

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I don't think it looks all that bad. Looks better with optional two tone.

 

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and in a darker color:

 

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It will still sell like crazy

 

Toyota reports that RAV4 sales volume increased by over 100% since it was last redesigned in 2013. The crossover craze is itself crazy. But it is what it is.

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You guys are bring mean, if they wanted it to be ugly they'd add a Lexus grille. :stirpot:

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IMO, Toyota has addressed some of the biggest complaints they get: styling.

 

They used to be very bland. So they spiced it up. Oops. Too much. Dial it back. Oh, and your SUV designs are a little feminine. Ok, here's a Tacoma grill on the little grocery getter. Happy now consumer?

 

 

And they're gonna sell a ton of them.

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IMO, Toyota has addressed some of the biggest complaints they get: styling.

 

They used to be very bland. So they spiced it up. Oops. Too much. Dial it back. Oh, and your SUV designs are a little feminine. Ok, here's a Tacoma grill on the little grocery getter. Happy now consumer?

 

 

And they're gonna sell a ton of them.

 

They'll sell a bazillion of them no matter what they look like. Toyota buyers buy for the badge, not looks.

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They'll sell a bazillion of them no matter what they look like. Toyota buyers buy for the badge, not looks.

 

Yes sir. Specifically, Toyota cars and trucks provide long term reliability and durability unmatched by other carmakers. If they keep that tradition strong, styling won't matter much.

 

RAV4 is one of the top five car and truck models that owners are most likely to keep owning and operating for 15 years or more. The other four are also Toyotas: Highlander, Sienna, Tundra, and Prius. https://blog.iseecars.com/the-15-cars-owners-keep-for-15-years-or-more/

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That is NOT ugly by any stretch. As overwrought as it is, it's still very thoughtfully and cleverly executed and it's certainly innovative for a segment which is all looking the same.

 

Would I want Ford to do something like this...nope! I would rather have a CRV.

 

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That is NOT ugly by any stretch. As overwrought as it is, it's still very thoughtfully and cleverly executed and it's certainly innovative for a segment which is all looking the same.

 

Would I want Ford to do something like this...nope! I would rather have a CRV.

 

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It's not Aztec bad, but it's not pretty. (I do think Toyota could produce the Aztec and it'd still sell)

 

I don't think the CRV is very attractive either though.

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They'll sell a bazillion of them no matter what they look like. Toyota buyers buy for the badge, not looks.

 

No, Toyota owners actually think their stuff looks good - go figure! There are many very odd things that cannot be rationally explained.

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Biggest problem with two box vehicles is there really isn't that much you can do to them styling-wise

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There are many very odd things that cannot be rationally explained.

 

The growth of crossover vehicles recently is one of them! If people were rational, there would be a lot more real truck based SUVs. And a lot more wagon and hatchback cars too.

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The growth of crossover vehicles recently is one of them! If people were rational, there would be a lot more real truck based SUVs. And a lot more wagon and hatchback cars too.

 

Why? Because you said?

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Why? Because you said?

 

The reasons sir are because crossover vehicles are not rational by design and because consumers are often not rational in the products they decide to buy. For these reasons, 2019 RAV4 and other new crossover vehicles from other brands will find lots of willing buyers. Real SUVs, wagons, and hatchbacks won't be anywhere near as popular as the crossovers.

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The reasons sir are because crossover vehicles are not rational by design and because consumers are often not rational in the products they decide to buy. For these reasons, 2019 RAV4 and other new crossover vehicles from other brands will find lots of willing buyers. Real SUVs, wagons, and hatchbacks won't be anywhere near as popular as the crossovers.

 

I'm asking why it's not "rational by design"? What's not rational about it? You haven't answered.

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The reasons sir are because crossover vehicles are not rational by design and because consumers are often not rational in the products they decide to buy. For these reasons, 2019 RAV4 and other new crossover vehicles from other brands will find lots of willing buyers. Real SUVs, wagons, and hatchbacks won't be anywhere near as popular as the crossovers.

Horse hockey. There is nothing irrational about crossovers. They’re just car based wagons with higher seating positions. The only real compromise is COG but that’s not an issue for 99.9999% of drivers.

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The only real compromise is COG but thats not an issue for 99.9999% of drivers.

And even then its still not as bad as a BOF SUV or a pickup truck

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When I look at a new Toyota and Lexus, I feel the need to somehow apologize to the late Virgil Exner for ever laughing at a 1961 or 1962 Mopar.

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I'm asking why it's not "rational by design"? What's not rational about it? You haven't answered.

 

Sorry about that sir. Crossovers are not rational because they compromise the driving dynamics, fuel efficiency, and style of cars. At the same time, most crossovers lack the towing, off road, and heavy duty capabilities of real SUVs.

 

If someone wants cargo and passenger hauling versatility with car-like driving characteristics, fuel economy, and style, the rational choices are conventional wagons and hatchbacks.

If someone wants similar utility but with off road and towing capabilities, the rational choices are real SUVs.

 

But clearly people are inclined to buy crossovers like RAV4. Otherwise their sales volumes wouldn't have grown so much in the past 5 years. The reasons for that growth aren't based on rational thinking though. I think the marketing techniques used by automakers are effective in getting people think emotionally. Not rationally. For example, last year Toyota introduced a new trim level for RAV4 called Adventure. It is no more capable off road than other RAV4 models. But Toyota's press introduction and advertising for that vehicle got people to associate RAV4 with outdoors, wilderness, and that kind of stuff.

 

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Your choice of a Jag XF is just as irrational as any crossover purchase. You could have gotten by with a Fusion or a Camry for a lot less money.

 

There is no mileage penalty to speak of. A 2.0 Edge gets 24 mpg combined and 21 city while a 2.0 Fusion gets 25 mpg and 21 city.

 

For 99.99999% of drivers there is no discernible difference in performance or handling.

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Sorry about that sir. Crossovers are not rational because they compromise the driving dynamics, fuel efficiency, and style of cars. At the same time, most crossovers lack the towing, off road, and heavy duty capabilities of real SUVs.

 

If someone wants cargo and passenger hauling versatility with car-like driving characteristics, fuel economy, and style, the rational choices are conventional wagons and hatchbacks.

If someone wants similar utility but with off road and towing capabilities, the rational choices are real SUVs.

 

But clearly people are inclined to buy crossovers like RAV4. Otherwise their sales volumes wouldn't have grown so much in the past 5 years. The reasons for that growth aren't based on rational thinking though. I think the marketing techniques used by automakers are effective in getting people think emotionally. Not rationally. For example, last year Toyota introduced a new trim level for RAV4 called Adventure. It is no more capable off road than other RAV4 models. But Toyota's press introduction and advertising for that vehicle got people to associate RAV4 with outdoors, wilderness, and that kind of stuff.

 

Everything you said there is opinion.

 

So wanting a car like ride and higher seating position is irrational then?

 

Just because you view it as "irrational" doesn't mean it is. And clearly the market increasingly sees it as rational.

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