rmc523 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 It's the Oldsmobile Toronado like StangBang said. I may be Ford guy but always fascinated with how GM did the layout of the Toronado like you saw. Yes, bring back the 300 inch straight-six! But in modern tech with DOHC, dual injection, and CGI block. lol Not really. They still have the front drive-based vehicles to put the transmission in. The 2019 Transit Connect update will get it along with the new Focus, updated Edge/Nautilus, etc. I just thought of something. If the CD6 is indeed designed to have rear drive module with longitudinal layout and front drive module with transverse layout, wouldn't you think Ford would be better off calling the architecture the CD6R and CD6F as to avoid confusion? That's how they name their transmission like with the 10-speed auto for rear drive-based vehicles and the new 8-speed auto for front drive-based vehicles. Be easier to do this so auto journalists would be able to accurately describe the vehicles they are reviewing as well as making it easier for prospective customers to research on new Fords for their next purchase. Well, I'm sure they have their own internal codes for it that'll (possibly) be discussed when the first model is shown. To this point, Ford hasn't even acknowledged CD6 exists, so they're not about to run out and say "hey everybody, we're calling our new FWD platform CD6F and the RWD version CD6R!" If Fusion goes to CD6, what is left on the C3 platform ? Focus and Escape This could signal a big change coming ! Move Fusion and Edge to a stretched C3 platform and move Explorer and Taurus (and the Lincoln equivalents) up to CD6. MKC as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailhiker Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 C3 = Focus/Escape/MKC/ New model between Ecosport and Escape/+ Lincoln version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSchicago Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 You forgot about the Eldorodo ! It had a much bigger V8 (over 400 cid) mounted the same way. GM also made a very interesting Class A motorhome using the same drivetrain. There are still a few on the road Those were 455 Olds until 77, when they downsized to the 403 Olds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 C3 = Focus/Escape/MKC/ New model between Ecosport and Escape/+ Lincoln version. Plus the China only new Lincoln Sedan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 I'd venture to guess that the short C would be on the C2 platform (which would be the current Escape size or slightly smaller), but at the same time how much different is the C2 vs C3 outside of wheelbase and maybe width differences? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 If Fusion goes to CD6, what is left on the C3 platform ? Focus and Escape This could signal a big change coming ! Move Fusion and Edge to a stretched C3 platform and move Explorer and Taurus (and the Lincoln equivalents) up to CD6. Escort, Focus, small C utility, Escape, Transit Connect, MKC, Lincoln sedan, and most likely Fusion/Taurus and Edge. And I wouldn't rule out EcoSport, Fiesta, Ka, and Transit Courier either. They'll all eventually need replacements too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 I'd venture to guess that the short C would be on the C2 platform (which would be the current Escape size or slightly smaller), but at the same time how much different is the C2 vs C3 outside of wheelbase and maybe width differences? Why would they use 2 different platforms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 (edited) I'd venture to guess that the short C would be on the C2 platform (which would be the current Escape size or slightly smaller), but at the same time how much different is the C2 vs C3 outside of wheelbase and maybe width differences? Probably the same difference between C1 and EUCD... you can still assembly all the vehicles from both family on the same line if you had to. But presumably C3 is more modular than C2. Wheelbase and width are not meaningful differentiation factors if they designed C3 properly to accommodate different size vehicles. I mean EUCD/C1/C2 all had multiple wheelbase and width as well. Anyway, I don't think the small C utility will use C2. It will surely be C3 and it is probably being designed in concert with Escape/Kuga right now, like how C-Max was developed in concert with the current Escape/Kuga. I think C2 will be relegated to low cost cars that Ford is planning to make with Zoyte. Ford will value engineer out the fancy rear suspension and other areas like how they did to C1 Focus to turn it into Escort. Edited February 14, 2018 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Why would they use 2 different platforms? The C3 is just an improvement over the C2? Just kind of odd to have two products so close to one another on the same platform? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 The C3 is just an improvement over the C2? Just kind of odd to have two products so close to one another on the same platform? Conversely, why spend to have two products on two platforms if they're so close to one another? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 The C3 is just an improvement over the C2? Just kind of odd to have two products so close to one another on the same platform? C3 is just the next iteration of the C platform. You can have multiple wheelbases and multiple widths. Think of it as a combination of C2 and CD4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 C3 = One architecture, multiple sizes. Just like CD6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 (edited) C3 = One architecture, multiple sizes. Just like CD6. Yes, exactly. Think of C3 as replacement for both C2 and CD4. C1 --> EUCD on longer/wider applications C2 --> CD4 on longer/wider applications C3 --> I don't know if there will be a separate code but you get the idea And presumably, there will be less changes required to go from compact to midsize on C3 vs. C1/EUCD or C2/CD4 Edited February 14, 2018 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadicalX Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Does anyone know the name of the fiesta mk7 platform? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudz64 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Does anyone know the name of the fiesta mk7 platform? B3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StangBang Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Yes, I'm aware of the Toronado, but maybe you missed the part where I said IDGAF about GM? And IDGAF that YDGAF about GM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadicalX Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 B3 - Ka, Figo, Fiesta, Ecosport, B-Max C3 - Focus, Escape/Kuga, C-Max, MKC, MKZ (Focus Sedan MK4 based) CD6 - Explorer, Nautilus, Edge, Mustang, Bronco, Mach 1, Aviator, Continental T6 - Ranger, Everest CD7 - Expedition, Navigator Is that so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 B3 - Ka, Figo, Fiesta, Ecosport, B-Max C3 - Focus, Escape/Kuga, C-Max, MKC, MKZ (Focus Sedan MK4 based) CD6 - Explorer, Nautilus, Edge, Mustang, Bronco, Mach 1, Aviator, Continental T6 - Ranger, Everest CD7 - Expedition, Navigator Is that so? I think B-Max and C-Max are going away completely. MKZ will be CD6. Bronco is T6. Edge and Nautilus continue on CD4 for now - maybe next gen moves to CD6. Fusion can go either way - C3 or CD6. There is no CD7 - Expy/Navigator are on the F150 platform. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadicalX Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I think the MKZ may be discontinued. Perhaps some sedan is based on Focus Sedan MK4, since it will be very long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I think Lincoln will be using CD6 not C3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadicalX Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I believe that, thanks to CD6, Lincoln will bring a MKZ successor with rear traction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudz64 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 From an industry forecasting report from a few years back, Lincoln had a new MKZ (CD622) coming in July 2019, built at Flat Rock. They also listed another Lincoln sedan (CD714) with a SOP of July 2020. (in addition to the D544 Continental) I think back then, this new MKZ was still Fusion based, and the new sedan was CD6 RWD. Now, I think Lincoln knows they don't need 3 sedans, and the FWD MKZ was cxled (remember that report from Autoline of the MKZ being killed?) and the new CD6 RWD sedan will be the smaller, sporty sedan entry for them with Continental as the flagship, limo-like offering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadicalX Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Source? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadicalX Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Ford is very engaged in rivaling a tesla than cadillac sporting sedans, which sell little. I think they can plan a Lincoln kuxury sports electric coupe SUV based in Mach 1, than a M3/M5 rival Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadicalX Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 China demand more and more electric cars. Lincoln electrics are inevitable. Hacket wants more SUVs, and performance SUVs, so the ideal would to be luxury sports SUV, electrical, with rear traction (thanks CD6), and coupe format. A subcompact luxury SUV it would also be important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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