silvrsvt Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 What's funny is that some buyers (we all know the type) have become convinced that rwd is some sort of big crutch or penalty in the snow. In reality, there's very little difference other than the back end swings out when you lose traction on a rwd vs the front end disobeying steering input when you lose traction with a fwd. Both can and will get you in a wreck if you're not expecting it and don't know how to counteract it. But the whole issue is way overblown if we're down to the point of certain segments demanding fwd. People have to remember that this all started when Ford and GM discovered the assembly line benefits of FWD and went on an ad campaign touting fwd as some kind of miracle for snow based on the fact there's slightly more weight over the front axle in a typical passenger car. I don't know about that-I'd much rather be in a FWD car at a stop in the snow then one with RWD. I spent more time spinning wheels with RWD car then a FWD car. There was other factors at play, but still FWD is superior for that at least. Once you get going, they are basically the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Also, Mustang and F150 just so akirby will be confused about where to move this post. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 based on the fact there's slightly more weight over the front axle in a typical passenger car. That's exactly the benefit and it's real, especially compared to pickups where there is almost no weight on the drive wheels unless you add weight. With the right winter tires the differences are much less though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Hey PremierDrum - did you see my PM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevensecondsuv Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 That's what I've found. Snow tires and limited slip diff turned my 2wd ranger into an absolute snow animal. No need for 4wd at all now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Hey PremierDrum - did you see my PM? Where's mine? :P 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Where's mine? :P Here - have three. PM PM PM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Hey PremierDrum - did you see my PM? I'm so bad at this. Yes, and I've now replied. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 That's what I've found. Snow tires and limited slip diff turned my 2wd ranger into an absolute snow animal. No need for 4wd at all now. But snow tires require you to change them out-I know in my area over the past 10 years I haven't had snow on the ground for weeks straight during the winter. Normally the roads are down to pavement with in 72 hours or so-depending on how well they plow in my development. Main roads are fine before that. I'd think snow tires would be more of a hindrance on pavement vs all season tires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevensecondsuv Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Well extra ranger wheels are a dime a dozen at this point, so I just switch them wheels and all every April and November. Snow tires on dry pavement actually work just fine. They're super soft/sticky tread compound, it just wears fast if the pavement is warm. I actually kind of like them on my ranger since I turbocharged it - a lot more go instead of spinning haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 I'm so bad at this. Yes, and I've now replied. I haven't seen your reply yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pffan1990 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 What was it that was being sent to Premierdrum's PM? I don't want any of you to get in trouble if it violates privacy and could get you fired, but is it a photo of something that's coming out soon? You may send me PM and I would reply within PM and not mention any of it here. But you got my curiosity piqued. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 There were questions about transverse vs. longitudinal... AFAIK we will see both. As I told akirby privately, the program has swelled to the point where there is now jockeying between teams for individual wants and tolerances. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 There were questions about transverse vs. longitudinal... AFAIK we will see both. As I told akirby privately, the program has swelled to the point where there is now jockeying between teams for individual wants and tolerances.Fantastic news, sounds like Ford is expanding its views on everything inthe whole process and all stakeholders in at the start, give eng and design adecent product envelope and headroom to make value decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Sounds like they're just maximizing parts sharing. I hope they don't end up compromising the RWD/AWD versions in the process. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) Since the advent of small overlap crash test, maybe the way a RWD and FWD crash protection zones are engineered and developed becomes more similar than different? If they are designed together (at the same time) maybe the costs are only a fraction of what they were in the past as separate projects, maybe thoughtful engineering saves a ton of cash up front? Edited February 21, 2018 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) If they are designed together (at the same time) maybe the costs are only a fraction of what they were... That's part of my concern. The CD6 program started with very different scope and intentions long ago, and these additions are relatively recent. My sources seem positive and confident, but the late-stage changes are giving me pause. The most important CD6 products are launching first, so we'll know early if things were compromised. Edited February 21, 2018 by PREMiERdrum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 That's part of my concern. The CD6 progeam started with very different scope and intentions long ago, and these additions are relatively recent. My sources seem positive and confident, but the late-stage changes are giving me pause. The most important CD6 products are launching first, so we'll know early if things were compromised. Explorer, Aviator and Edge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 That's part of my concern. The CD6 progeam started with very different scope and intentions long ago, and these additions are relatively recent. My sources seem positive and confident, but the late-stage changes are giving me pause. The most important CD6 products are launching first, so we'll know early if things were compromised. Sounds like they finished the CD6 design for the initial products and now they're looking to see what can be adapted for the other products. If so then they probably did not compromise the architecture. Yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Explorer, Aviator and Edge? Explorer, Aviator, Mustang, Lincoln stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Explorer, Aviator, Mustang, Lincoln stuff This. And Edge is coming quickly as well, though it was definitely a late add to this program. That could be the bellwether. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 This. And Edge is coming quickly as well, though it was definitely a late add to this program. That could be the bellwether. "That could be the bellwether" because of its late addition to the program and it represents the first product on CD6 with a transverse fwd/awd layout? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 "That could be the bellwether" because of its late addition to the program and it represents the first product on CD6 with a transverse fwd/awd layout? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 That's part of my concern. The CD6 program started with very different scope and intentions long ago, and these additions are relatively recent. My sources seem positive and confident, but the late-stage changes are giving me pause. The most important CD6 products are launching first, so we'll know early if things were compromised. Explorer, Aviator, Mustang, Lincoln stuff This. And Edge is coming quickly as well, though it was definitely a late add to this program. That could be the bellwether. ExplViator & MKZreplacementNotZ were the original first '2' as of not quite 2 years ago & iirc the first thing we heard was about RwdFwdAwd... ...just-imho, that's already more 'adaptability-designed-in' that any Fomoco vehicle I can remember Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) That's part of my concern. The CD6 program started with very different scope and intentions long ago, and these additions are relatively recent. My sources seem positive and confident, but the late-stage changes are giving me pause. The most important CD6 products are launching first, so we'll know early if things were compromised. Almost everything in engineering is to compromise. CD6 is no different. You can’t mix and match modules without compromising something. The best possible platform will always be a dedicated one. But the time for a dedicated platform may be in the past Edited February 21, 2018 by mackinaw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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