bzcat Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) websites have been making comparisons... First Autoblog: https://www.autoblog.com/2018/02/08/ford-ranger-raptor-chevy-colorado-zr2-comparison/ And Motor1... Raptor vs. Corlorado ZR2 and Tacoma TRD Bro... I mean TRD Pro: https://www.motor1.com/features/229765/ford-ranger-raptor-comparison/ On paper, the Ford Ranger Raptor is second to last in terms of horsepower, just behind the diesel ZR2. With only 210 horsepower (156 kilowatts) via a 2.0-liter turbodiesel engine, the gas-powered Colorado ZR2 is up 98 horses on the Ranger Raptor, and the Tacoma is up 68. That said, the diesel engine in the Ranger Raptor provides plenty of torque – 369 pound-feet (500 Newton-meters) of it. That makes it equal to the Colorado ZR2 diesel (369 lb-ft), far superior to the V6-powered Tacoma TRD Pro (265 lb-ft), and ideal for off roading, of course. But the engine doesn’t paint the entire performance picture. With a custom Fox suspension and coilover Watts Link rear setup, the Ranger Raptor was made for rough stuff. The 17-inch BF Goodrich All-Terrain tires match those found on the ZR2, and exceed the 16-inch wheels found on the Tacoma. The brakes are larger, too. A set of 13-inch rotors are available, front and back, and best the ZR2 by .8 inches, and the Tacoma by 2.2 inches. Riding high, the Ranger Raptor has a ground clearance of 11.1 inches. That’s better than the ZR2 (8.9 inches), the Tacoma TRD Pro (9.4 inches), and yes, even the new Wrangler Rubicon (10.8 inches). With an approach angle of 32.5 inches, the Raptor is competitive with the surprisingly superior Tacoma, and better than the ZR2 overall. Of course, when talking about off-road angles, the Wrangler Rubicon remains king (44 / 27.8 / 37), but only just. "The standout experience of the Ranger Raptor, hands down, is how far you can push it off-road versus any other available production road vehicle in our markets, and still ride like a millionaire on-road," said Damien Ross, Chief Program Engineer, Ranger Raptor, Ford Motor Company. The new Ranger Raptor was tested extensively in the rugged terrain of the Australian outback, so you know it's built for anything. Both the Ranger and the hardcore Ranger Raptor won't be available for a few months still. But stacking up the new Ford trucks against their closest competition should give you something to be excited about. Edited February 8, 2018 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share Posted February 8, 2018 Whats up with the shitastic MPG's on the Diesel ZR2? They use gas numbers instead? A Raptor Bronco would be a nice foil to a Wrangler... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelyD Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2018/02/09/ford-performance-boss-hints-at-gas-powered-ranger-raptor-for-u-s.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 The US spec Ranger Raptor, if there is one, will probably start around $45k, and fully loaded around $55k. This is based on what Chevy Colorado ZR2 crew cab V6 costs (~$42k) but factor in Raptor-grade suspension upgrades and more standard equipment since ZR2 is more like FX4 than Raptor. Also the US spec Ranger Raptor will most likely be a more powerful and faster truck than the rest of the world version (assuming 2.7 Ecoboost V6). So at the price of a new power wagon i can have this???..just wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 So at the price of a new power wagon i can have this???..just wow Uh you might want to check your math...a base Power Wagon is $51K A base Ranger Raptor will most likely start at least 7-10K less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) From Autoblog: The chief engineer at Ford Performance, Jamal Hameedi, bolstered such expectations when he told Australian outlet Drive during the launch in Bangkok, "Raptors are a slam dunk for the U.S. I think it [the Ranger Raptor] would do really well in the States." He added, however, that since the U.S. already has the F-150 Raptor, "our first priority is to get a Raptor available to everyone on the planet Earth." Edited February 12, 2018 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 So in other words, you guys are are already getting the F-150 Raptor, and while we know without a doubt that the Ranger Raptor would sell like hotcakes in the US, just shut up and buy what we allow you to buy because we know better than you do what you really need. The gospel according to Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 So in other words, you guys are are already getting the F-150 Raptor, and while we know without a doubt that the Ranger Raptor would sell like hotcakes in the US, just shut up and buy what we allow you to buy because we know better than you do what you really need. The gospel according to Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 So in other words, you guys are are already getting the F-150 Raptor, and while we know without a doubt that the Ranger Raptor would sell like hotcakes in the US, just shut up and buy what we allow you to buy because we know better than you do what you really need. The gospel according to Ford. They're playing that game with more than just the Raptor, the entire industry really is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 So in other words, you guys are are already getting the F-150 Raptor, and while we know without a doubt that the Ranger Raptor would sell like hotcakes in the US, just shut up and buy what we allow you to buy because we know better than you do what you really need. The gospel according to Ford. It's the same thing they did with the F150 Raptor--it went on hiatus with the switch to the 13th generation F150 in '15, then was introduced after everything was settled with the main truck. All the evidence, IMHO, points to the Ranger launch being a shoestring project. Ford is putting enough resources behind it that it can be successful, but they're not swinging for the bleachers like they did with the F150. As a result, we're not getting all of the possible cab/bed configurations, wheelbases, powertrain options, or trims/models. We're seeing them go after the higher profit parts of the market first, then, once the Ranger is established as a money maker, we'll see them go after the rest of it. Personally, I'm not sure we'll see the diesel Raptor in the US. I'd expect something like the EB27 with the tap opened up more than it is in the F150, kind of like the difference between the EB35 (F150) and the EB35 HO (Raptor). In that case, it really doesn't make sense to bring the ROW Ranger Raptor here now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Looking at the history of the T6 and the fact that it has never had any other engine type than an inline since its inception I'm wondering what the best engine choice would have been if Ford had the ability to design something from scratch rather than rely on existing designs. This might sound a little off the wall but if V-type engines are not an option why not consider an inline six of somewhere between 2.5 and 3.0 liters? An inline six is a more naturally balanced design compared to either an inline four or five cylinder engine. An inline six also has the ability to produce more torque at lower rpm's than a similar displacement V6. Seems like a natural fit for a truck or SUV. They could offer it in both NA and EB versions with the EB reserved for the higher trim levels of the Ranger and Bronco. It would need to have relatively small bores and bore spacing to keep the block compact enough to fit longitudinally in the Ranger engine bay. It would have a 4-valve aluminum DOHC cylinder head with TiVCT and a CGI block for strength. It would also have dual port/direct fuel injection and auto stop/start. If they need help designing it they could probably hire a couple of retired BMW engineers, or better yet, just let the boys in OZ use what they know about inline sixes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 It's the same thing they did with the F150 Raptor--it went on hiatus with the switch to the 13th generation F150 in '15, then was introduced after everything was settled with the main truck. All the evidence, IMHO, points to the Ranger launch being a shoestring project. Ford is putting enough resources behind it that it can be successful, but they're not swinging for the bleachers like they did with the F150. As a result, we're not getting all of the possible cab/bed configurations, wheelbases, powertrain options, or trims/models. We're seeing them go after the higher profit parts of the market first, then, once the Ranger is established as a money maker, we'll see them go after the rest of it. Personally, I'm not sure we'll see the diesel Raptor in the US. I'd expect something like the EB27 with the tap opened up more than it is in the F150, kind of like the difference between the EB35 (F150) and the EB35 HO (Raptor). In that case, it really doesn't make sense to bring the ROW Ranger Raptor here now. You wont see that diesel in a US spec Ranger Raptor. It would not be acceptable here, as people expect high horsepower engines in performance vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Using simple numbers an inline six with 85mm bore x 85mm stroke = 2.894 Liters of displacement. Increasing the stroke to 90mm would result in a displacement of 3.064 Liters. In either case a 95mm bore spacing would result in a block length of somewhere around 600mm or less than 24". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Looking at the history of the T6 and the fact that it has never had any other engine type than an inline since its inception I'm wondering what the best engine choice would have been if Ford had the ability to design something from scratch rather than rely on existing designs. Except we've already been told that the NA Ranger has a different frame to accommodate the powertrains in NA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 You wont see that diesel in a US spec Ranger Raptor. It would not be acceptable here, as people expect high horsepower engines in performance vehicles. You're probably right. That's why I'm expecting an EB V6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) not until 2021. Just my own theory, Ford NA came to the T6 development group and wanted a Nth American Ranger, their timing sucked because the refresh for CY2018 was probably already done with everything locked in, so the least disruptive engine for Nth America was the 2.3 EB... Edited February 13, 2018 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Im betting NA Ranger Raptor is not unveiled until theyre ready to unveil Bronco Raptor, which will justify the NA Powertrain. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) Im betting NA Ranger Raptor is not unveiled until theyre ready to unveil Bronco Raptor, which will justify the NA Powertrain. And therefore, it will arrive after Bronco... I'm at a loss with diesel Ranger Raptor, the same chief of Ford performance says the US needs gas engines while all ROW markets will like the 2.0 twin turbo diesel, what's more he had to mansplain it to journalists not 24 hours after the launch.......try putting a 3.0 diesel in F150 Raptor and tell American buyers it's not about the engine...they'd crucify him, yet we have to take this product clearly aimed at Asia. Edited February 13, 2018 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 mansplain WTF does that mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 explain in man terms.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 explain in man terms.... I thought it involved grunting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 It requires some very careful use of sharp scissors and/or razors. Oh wait, that’s manscaping. Sorry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 It requires some very careful use of sharp scissors and/or razors. Oh wait, that’s manscaping. Sorry. I thought that involved grunting, too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I thought that involved grunting, too Men who grunt don't manscape. Or "mansplain." We leave that to the hipsters, metrosexuals, eunuchs, and other non-men. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron W. Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 ^^^ You mean like Bruce Jenner ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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