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#1 OFFLINE   bikinchris

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 09:45 PM

The new Ranger is actually bigger than an F100 used to be. How about we reintroduce an actual small pickup? Maybe use the Transit Connect chassis and put a built in bed on the back?

How about revive an old idea and use the bed design concept from the old VW van based pickup? They had bed sides you could flip down like a tailgate. You could either open the tailgate or open the side gate or open both sides and the back and you had a flat bed.

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#2 OFFLINE   twintornados

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Posted 25 January 2018 - 04:41 PM

With the rumored introduction of Transit Custom (bigger than Transit Connect, yet smaller than Full Size Transit) that could be the chassis to build out a small truck from...


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Posted 26 January 2018 - 08:16 AM

Is any company selling a real "small" pickup in the US ?



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Posted 26 January 2018 - 08:37 AM

Is any company selling a real "small" pickup in the US ?


Nope.

I think my favorite truly small pickup was my brother’s blue Datsun 720 manual. This was around 1981 or 82.

I also liked my 1990 Ranger reg cab short bed 2.3L manual. I traded it for a 95 supercab 4.0 manual which was more capable but not as fun. Also not as cheap as the 1990 which I got for $7995 - a steal even back then.
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Posted 26 January 2018 - 11:50 AM

Is any company selling a real "small" pickup in the US ?

 

 

Jeep has prototype mules of a JT Scrambler running around now that should be in showrooms in 1 year or less. It does look to be about the size of a Chevy Colorado.  There are a few aftermarket companies like AEV that sell pickup conversions of current model JK Wranglers. 


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Posted 26 January 2018 - 02:34 PM

Nope.

I think my favorite truly small pickup was my brother’s blue Datsun 720 manual. This was around 1981 or 82.

I also liked my 1990 Ranger reg cab short bed 2.3L manual. I traded it for a 95 supercab 4.0 manual which was more capable but not as fun. Also not as cheap as the 1990 which I got for $7995 - a steal even back then.

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I had a '90 Ranger like that...it was a great little truck that unfortunately, I had to trade in for an Aerostar for the (now Ex) wife....bummed me out big time.


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Posted 15 September 2018 - 10:30 PM

So perhaps Ford is listening.  News articles identifying a unibody subcompact truck possibly being built in Mexico for the 2022 model year are circulating.  This vehicle may be based on the Focus platform, some have also mentioned Fusion.  At first I thought, bringing  back the Ranchero?  I'm all for that, but a Focus sized car?  Until I did a little research, I am a fan of the original Ranger.  Love the size and capabilities so I compared the 2018 Focus to the 1991 Ranger, regular cab, short wheelbase 2wd.  This is what I came up with:

 

Measurement  1991 Ranger    2018 Focus

 

Length               176.5"               172.8"

Wheelbase         108                  104.3

Height                 63.7                    58

Head Room        39.2                    38.3

Leg Room          42.4                    43.1

Hip Room           52.7                    53.9

Shoulder Room   54.6                   55.6

 

So basically all of the measurements are real close except for the height, the Focus is about 6 inches lower.  The Focus is available with AWD, 2.3L I4 EB putting out 350 hp.  Don't believe a "Ranchero" needs that kind of power so perhaps detune the engine to 349 hp. :)

 

What would I want in a new "Ranchero"?  A quiet comfortable ride, not a stiff ride.  Two doors vs four doors and an automatic transmission without auto start/stop.  I know I have said in the past that I don't think a 4 cylinder is in my future but if Ford built a Ranchero I would buy it.

 

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Edited by T hawker, 15 September 2018 - 11:03 PM.

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1980 Pinto                1982 T-Bird Heritage         1983 Ranger V6

1984 Tempo 2d        1985 Ranger V6 4x4          1985 T-Bird 5.0

1986 Ranger V6       1988 Mustang LX 2d 5.0    1989 Bronco II 4x4

1991 Ranger 4.0       1992 F-150 5.8 4x4           1995 Chevy 5.7 K1500

1995 Ranger 4.0       1995 F-150 5.8 4x4           1998 Mark VIII

1999 Chevy S10 4.3 2000 GMC Sierra 5.3 4x4  2001 Crown Vic

2003 GMC Yukon     2006 MB C350                   2008 Buick Enclave

2008 GMC Sierra 4x4  2012 Toyota Venza V6   2014 F150 XLT SCrew

 

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1976 Mercury Marquis 460/4bbl

1979.5 Ranchero


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Posted 16 September 2018 - 11:40 AM

Safe to say it's not a Ranchero but an economy sized truck, it also has a companion Crossover.  I suspect it might be Ford's entry-level EcoSport successor with a Truck variant.

 

We've seen this type of truck before in Ford's global portfolio, typically based on B-Segment products like Fiesta.  I don't think they are approaching it in the same way as a cheap 3rd-world hack, but I think this points us in the right direction as to how it may be positioned.  

 

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Posted 16 September 2018 - 12:52 PM

Hope the looks are closer to these:

 

https://www.motor1.c...pickup-renders/


Past Rides:

 

1980 Pinto                1982 T-Bird Heritage         1983 Ranger V6

1984 Tempo 2d        1985 Ranger V6 4x4          1985 T-Bird 5.0

1986 Ranger V6       1988 Mustang LX 2d 5.0    1989 Bronco II 4x4

1991 Ranger 4.0       1992 F-150 5.8 4x4           1995 Chevy 5.7 K1500

1995 Ranger 4.0       1995 F-150 5.8 4x4           1998 Mark VIII

1999 Chevy S10 4.3 2000 GMC Sierra 5.3 4x4  2001 Crown Vic

2003 GMC Yukon     2006 MB C350                   2008 Buick Enclave

2008 GMC Sierra 4x4  2012 Toyota Venza V6   2014 F150 XLT SCrew

 

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1976 Mercury Marquis 460/4bbl

1979.5 Ranchero


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Posted 16 September 2018 - 02:00 PM

If the F150 is any indication I think you’ll be surprised how quiet and smooth the new Ranger will be.

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Posted 16 September 2018 - 03:59 PM

This was a cool version of an unofficial Ranchero

 

http://www.fordpinto...iewmore;id=3533

 

Too bad the Flex is out, it would have made a grand 2 door truck with AWD and a powerful EB V6.


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#12 OFFLINE   tbone

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Posted 16 September 2018 - 04:29 PM

Hope the looks are closer to these:
 
https://www.motor1.c...pickup-renders/


I think those renders are workable. The Courier single cab shown here, not so much.
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#13 OFFLINE   T hawker

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Posted 16 September 2018 - 09:57 PM

If the F150 is any indication I think you’ll be surprised how quiet and smooth the new Ranger will be.

 

That's why I bought the 2014 F150 SCrew.  It was quiet and smooth, but thought it was ridiculous to buy a 6000 lb vehicle to get those two features.  Learning to drive in 1978/79 I was use to smooth quiet vehicles, LTD's and T-Birds. 

 

I did not need anywhere near the hauling or towing capacity the F150 supplied.  I only used the bed once for a dump run, those items that were longer then the bed allowed, I would use the trailer.  The lift over height was so high I would need to get into the bed to retrieve cargo, a major pain in the …  Most of the time the cargo was placed in the back seat.  So for me, just a regular home owner needing to occasionally haul a larger item an original Ranger or Ranchero is perfect.  Not too large, low lift over height, decent mpg's and it will easily fit in the garage.

 

Some of you may remember Ford sending some Fairmont Futura's to National Coach Works in Los Angeles.  Most believe less then 200 were converted into "Ranchero's"


Edited by T hawker, 16 September 2018 - 10:02 PM.

Past Rides:

 

1980 Pinto                1982 T-Bird Heritage         1983 Ranger V6

1984 Tempo 2d        1985 Ranger V6 4x4          1985 T-Bird 5.0

1986 Ranger V6       1988 Mustang LX 2d 5.0    1989 Bronco II 4x4

1991 Ranger 4.0       1992 F-150 5.8 4x4           1995 Chevy 5.7 K1500

1995 Ranger 4.0       1995 F-150 5.8 4x4           1998 Mark VIII

1999 Chevy S10 4.3 2000 GMC Sierra 5.3 4x4  2001 Crown Vic

2003 GMC Yukon     2006 MB C350                   2008 Buick Enclave

2008 GMC Sierra 4x4  2012 Toyota Venza V6   2014 F150 XLT SCrew

 

Past Hobbies:

 

1976 Mercury Marquis 460/4bbl

1979.5 Ranchero


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Posted 16 September 2018 - 10:49 PM

 

Learning to drive in 1978/79 I was use to smooth quiet vehicles, LTD's and T-Birds. 

 

Those are neither smooth nor quiet by today's standards.


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Posted 17 September 2018 - 07:41 AM

 

That's why I bought the 2014 F150 SCrew.  It was quiet and smooth, but thought it was ridiculous to buy a 6000 lb vehicle to get those two features.  Learning to drive in 1978/79 I was use to smooth quiet vehicles, LTD's and T-Birds. 

 

I did not need anywhere near the hauling or towing capacity the F150 supplied.  I only used the bed once for a dump run, those items that were longer then the bed allowed, I would use the trailer.  The lift over height was so high I would need to get into the bed to retrieve cargo, a major pain in the …  Most of the time the cargo was placed in the back seat.  So for me, just a regular home owner needing to occasionally haul a larger item an original Ranger or Ranchero is perfect.  Not too large, low lift over height, decent mpg's and it will easily fit in the garage.

 

Sounds like you really want a Ridgeline.



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Posted 17 September 2018 - 10:20 AM

My favorite small truck was the 1974 Mazda Rotary pickup. My Brother and I had one for work. Would spin 8500 RPM and had 4.87 gears & 4 speed. Would easily do 125 on the highway, and with the rusted exhuast sounded like an angry swarm of bees. LOL.  



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Posted 18 September 2018 - 12:05 AM

 

Those are neither smooth nor quiet by today's standards.

 

Sorry, I can't agree with your statement.  Most "modern" cars ride like rocks, I want to be completely isolated from the road.  I don't want anything transmitted through the steering wheel, seats...nothing.  If I'm going to pay a small fortune for a vehicle why would I want to feel or hear tar strips, lane delineators, a blade of grass?  I've purchased a lot of cars and I've test driven dozens more.  Even the luxury brands have horrible ride quality today.  Last year I test drove the Continental, MKZ and MKX back to back.  The best one in my opinion was the MKX AWD with the drive line in "comfort" mode, was not impressed.  Today's standards are transmit as much road "feel" to the driver as possible...wtf.


Past Rides:

 

1980 Pinto                1982 T-Bird Heritage         1983 Ranger V6

1984 Tempo 2d        1985 Ranger V6 4x4          1985 T-Bird 5.0

1986 Ranger V6       1988 Mustang LX 2d 5.0    1989 Bronco II 4x4

1991 Ranger 4.0       1992 F-150 5.8 4x4           1995 Chevy 5.7 K1500

1995 Ranger 4.0       1995 F-150 5.8 4x4           1998 Mark VIII

1999 Chevy S10 4.3 2000 GMC Sierra 5.3 4x4  2001 Crown Vic

2003 GMC Yukon     2006 MB C350                   2008 Buick Enclave

2008 GMC Sierra 4x4  2012 Toyota Venza V6   2014 F150 XLT SCrew

 

Past Hobbies:

 

1976 Mercury Marquis 460/4bbl

1979.5 Ranchero


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Posted 18 September 2018 - 12:07 AM

So you prefer the nausea-inducing float and rubberband-handling of the cars of 40 years ago.  Got it.


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'05 Ford F150 XLT SuperCrew 4x4 5.4 - sold @53k, not a single problem
'03 Ford Escape XLT
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'99 Ford F150 XLT Regular Cab 4x4 5.4 - Sold @136k, then totaled by the new owner on the way to its new home :(
'96 Chevrolet Cavalier (wife's - she brought it into the marriage)
'86 Ford Bronco II XLT 4x4 5 Speed 2.9L - what a dog, and it cracked heads like no tomorrow. 150k+ on 4 engines


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Posted 18 September 2018 - 11:22 AM

So you prefer the nausea-inducing float and rubberband-handling of the cars of 40 years ago.  Got it.

 

I call it comfy cozy :)  


Past Rides:

 

1980 Pinto                1982 T-Bird Heritage         1983 Ranger V6

1984 Tempo 2d        1985 Ranger V6 4x4          1985 T-Bird 5.0

1986 Ranger V6       1988 Mustang LX 2d 5.0    1989 Bronco II 4x4

1991 Ranger 4.0       1992 F-150 5.8 4x4           1995 Chevy 5.7 K1500

1995 Ranger 4.0       1995 F-150 5.8 4x4           1998 Mark VIII

1999 Chevy S10 4.3 2000 GMC Sierra 5.3 4x4  2001 Crown Vic

2003 GMC Yukon     2006 MB C350                   2008 Buick Enclave

2008 GMC Sierra 4x4  2012 Toyota Venza V6   2014 F150 XLT SCrew

 

Past Hobbies:

 

1976 Mercury Marquis 460/4bbl

1979.5 Ranchero


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Posted 19 September 2018 - 06:29 PM

You're remembering them as far better than they were. 


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