630land Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Ford has been putting all their attention to the F Series. As if it is the only product that matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 And after taking my wife's 2017 Escape Titanium in today for the 6th time, I personally believe Ford doesn't make "quality" vehicles anymore. But they sure do make a lot of them. The Oasis report will be close to 2 pages long when they're done with it. For reference, 4 and counting for our 2015 Focus, none of which have anything to do with the transmission since that's N/A for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 (edited) Ford has been putting all their attention to the F Series. As if it is the only product that matters. And if you took F Series out of the equation, I think that Ford's North American profits would be similar to Ford Europe. We have to remember that a lot of Ford's vehicles generate little if any profit in comparison to F150. That's also no excuse for for doing nothing by continually rolling over what were already aged unification platforms. Fields simply rode Mulally's early good work into the ground and didn't replace it with next generation platforms. What's even worse is that we see quality and reliability problems in those aged platforms that just shouldn't be there. A lot of that drive for quality started by Mulally has been replaced by Fields going back to the "Old Ford" playbook. Edited November 9, 2017 by jpd80 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 *whenever the budget allows for it Reread what Pioneer wrote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 (edited) Reread what Pioneer wrote. I read it just fine. When they cut plant budgets, end of line inspectors are among the first things to go. Edited November 9, 2017 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 I read it just fine. When they cut plant budgets, end of line inspectors are among the first things to go. He said quantity is job 1 not quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 He said quantity is job 1 not quality. huh. So he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 For reference, 4 and counting for our 2015 Focus, none of which have anything to do with the transmission since that's N/A for us. No transmission trips for me either (and I actually have the DCT) But, I had to have my gas tank replaced in the first year. But it took 3 trips to the dealer for them to figure that out. Then last time I had my wheels aligned, they returned the car with the steering wheel pointed at 11 o'clock. ...and yet I still go to the same dealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted November 11, 2017 Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) The 1994 Mustang seemed to be "coming" for a decade, well maybe it did? It did finally arrive a few months earlier than expected, 12/4/93, instead of spring 94. But they should not announce so far in advance, buyers get sick of waiting and move to other makes. I actually think an argument can be made the other way. Had the announcement not been made, those people would have just bought a jeep no matter what ford did, because Ford simply isn't in this market yet But some, be they ford, or Bronco enthusiasts WILL wait, and you will net save more buyers than "lose" because those buyers would have gone elsewhere no matter what ford did. That's the beauty of the Bronco at least, since it's a currently untapped market for Ford. Ranger is obviously a bit different Edited November 11, 2017 by probowler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted November 11, 2017 Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 That said it still sucks for meee because I live in the generation of instant gratification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 That argument doesn't make sense to me. Why would somebody hold off purchasing a Jeep because of an announcement of a Bronco, when you don't even know what that Bromco will be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Yeah like leasing a Jeep now while you wait for the Bronco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 I'm somewhat in that camp now - I'm interested in a Bronco, but have been considering getting something new with the extended warranty I have about to run out....but with Bronco 2 years away, and not even being sure of what it is, I'm trying to figure out what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 That argument doesn't make sense to me. Why would somebody hold off purchasing a Jeep because of an announcement of a Bronco, when you don't even know what that Bromco will be? Maybe because they want to buy a Ford, not a Fiasco. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Maybe because they want to buy a Ford, not a Fiasco. That person would be as crazy as an Apple junkie on launch day then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted November 11, 2017 Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 That person would be as crazy as an Apple junkie on launch day then. Not really, the wrangler is a great 4x4 and less concerned with Street manners. The Bronco has been rumored to be the opposite; more upscale but still capable off-road. Whether this comes true, who knows.... But f that's what youre looking for and you don't feel like buying a Lexus or a Land Rover, waiting to check out the Bronco starts to make a lot of sense if you're not dying to buy something now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 I recently purchased a set of almost new BFG take-off tires for my Sport Trac from a guy with a 2017 Wrangler. He was complaining about the fact that his brand new Jeep was in the shop with electrical problems. He also had a new Super Duty in the driveway and said he was really a Ford guy. I suggested that if he could nurse the Jeep along a couple more years it would be good trade-in fodder for a 2020 Bronco. He said that had already crossed his mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 I can tell you that I really enjoy my Lincoln and would get another one in a NY minute when it is time to replace....but, if the Bronco is sitting on the lot, I will likely take a Bronco Platinum home instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 I can tell you that I really enjoy my Lincoln and would get another one in a NY minute when it is time to replace....but, if the Bronco is sitting on the lot, I will likely take a Bronco Platinum home instead. Interesting. What, in your mind right now, is this Bronco you're taking home? A 4x4 off-road capable Wrangler competitor, or a rebadged Everest? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Interesting. What, in your mind right now, is this Bronco you're taking home? A 4x4 off-road capable Wrangler competitor, or a rebadged Everest? Or something completely different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 And after taking my wife's 2017 Escape Titanium in today for the 6th time, I personally believe Ford doesn't make "quality" vehicles anymore. But they sure do make a lot of them. The Oasis report will be close to 2 pages long when they're done with it.I think Fords design is good but the vehicles are put together with parts from cheap suppliers. Most issues aren't necessarily a design flaw. It's failed parts. Like the Lincoln LS, great design put together with substandard parts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 I think Fords design is good but the vehicles are put together with parts from cheap suppliers. Most issues aren't necessarily a design flaw. It's failed parts. Like the Lincoln LS, great design put together with substandard parts. When we raise issues with it on the line, it's 50/50 whether or not it gets addressed. There's several I personally have been dealing with for well over a year now and nothing has been done about any of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 It’s also poor or incomplete engineering. The air conditioned seat backs that don’t exhaust properly and therefore fail to cool much are a prime example. They took something that wasn’t broken (the ones in my 2003 Aviator worked great), re-engineered it and completely screwed it up to the point they can’t (or can’t afford to) fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 But did Ford engineer the seats, or the supplier? I would not be surprised if it were the supplier. (Not that it matters to the end user) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 But did Ford engineer the seats, or the supplier? I would not be surprised if it were the supplier. (Not that it matters to the end user) Doesn't really matter, Ford has to sign off on it in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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