2018 F-150 Revealed

[silvrsvt]

 

Okay, I am getting conflict information. ot at least information that does not "smell" correct.

 

• The 3.3L is the naturally aspired little brother of the "new for 2015" 3.5L. One report said it had 12 injectors ?
• Another report said the 5.0L was getting 16 injector and using Plasma Transferred Wire Arc (PTWA) thermal spray instead of iron liners ? Both statements sound suspicious.
• One report called the 2.7L EB "all new". Refreshed, but "all new" ?

 

 

 

So what is the deal with DI on the 3.3L? I was under the impression from your comments that DI wasn't really worth in a Naturally aspirated engine?

[fordmantpw]

 

Okay, I am getting conflict information. ot at least information that does not "smell" correct.

 

• The 3.3L is the naturally aspired little brother of the "new for 2015" 3.5L. One report said it had 12 injectors ?
• Another report said the 5.0L was getting 16 injector and using Plasma Transferred Wire Arc (PTWA) thermal spray instead of iron liners ? Both statements sound suspicious.
• One report called the 2.7L EB "all new". Refreshed, but "all new" ?

 

 

The 3.3L has port AND DI. They called it PFDI on the slide I saw.

The 5.0L is the same...so 16 injectors. I haven't seen anything on PTWA though.

I don't know about 'all new' on the 2.7L, but it is getting the same treatment the 3.5L got for '17. In other words, it will have 12 injectors as well.

 

So, this means that outside of the diesel, all engines in the F150 will have port AND direct injection, regardless of whether they are boosted or N/A.

[hahnk37]

The one item I was hoping would change is adding LED lights as standard equipment. Still looks to be only Lariat and higher trims.

[RichardJensen]

The one item I was hoping would change is adding LED lights as standard equipment. Still looks to be only Lariat and higher trims.

 

As much fleet/commercial business as Ford does w/this truck, you probably won't see that happen until it's mandated by the feds.

 

Also, isn't Lariat pretty much the lowest trim for which you have a decent set of options (essentially what XLT was 20 years ago?)

[Harley Lover]

 

• One report called the 2.7L EB "all new". Refreshed, but "all new" ?

 

 

The characterization of the 2.7 is "all new second generation" and is directly from the Ford media release. That might just be marketing speak, but the words come direct from Ford.

[MKX1960]

 

I doubt that. Satellite is established and gives 90+% of what wireless data would at, I'm guessing, a better price.

If you have WiFi hotspot, You would be able to download the app such as Sonos or Bose use for internet based radio.

[silvrsvt]

If you have WiFi hotspot, You would be able to download the app such as Sonos or Bose use for internet based radio.

 

Who's going to pay for the data from your celluar device?

 

We are a long ways off from 5G networks...but you still have to pay for that data somehow and ISPs offering Wifi Hotspots won't have enough coverage while your driving.

[akirby]

 

Who's going to pay for the data from your celluar device?

 

We are a long ways off from 5G networks...but you still have to pay for that data somehow and ISPs offering Wifi Hotspots won't have enough coverage while your driving.

 

It's not really the wi-fi hotspot - it's the 4G LTE modem which comes with its own separate data plan. In that regard it's exactly the same as using your phone to stream pandora or spotify.

[jpd80]

The upgrades to the 5.0 V8 should see its power and torque figures opening up a nice little gap on the GM 5.3...

 

It would be nice to think that those new figures are the mid point between GM's 5.3 and 6.2 truck engines

but maybe 410 HP / 420 lb ft is a little too much to hope for...still, raised compression and DI...

Edited January 9, 2017 by jpd80

[jpvbs]

400/400 would be nice numbers from a marketing perspective. 400hp has a nice sound to it.

 

I assume the Mustang 5.0 will get similar treatment for 2018(?).

[silvrsvt]

 

It's not really the wi-fi hotspot - it's the 4G LTE modem which comes with its own separate data plan. In that regard it's exactly the same as using your phone to stream pandora or spotify.

 

But its an extra expense that isn't that "cheap" vs Sat Radio

[jpd80]

With 385 HP / 387 lb ft, the current 5.0 V8 engine is not far away form 400 hp / 400 lb ft,

maybe Ford wants to gap the 5.3 Silverado by about 30 to 40 HP....

Edited January 10, 2017 by jpd80

[jpvbs]

With 385 HP / 387 lb ft, the current engine is not far away form that.

The updated 3.5 only gained 10hp so I figure the 5.0 might get a similar change. But as close as it is to 400hp, I think it would be a little bit of a disappointment to not at least hit that number.

[CurtisH]

With 385 HP / 387 lb ft, the current 5.0 V8 engine is not far away form 400 hp / 400 lb ft,

maybe Ford wants to gap the 5.3 Silverado by about 30 to 40 HP....

The 5.3 has 355 hp, so the 5.0 already has it by 30 hp. Torque is close, though.

[bzcat]

XL

 

 

 

 

XLT

 

 

 

Lariat

 

 

 

 

 

King Ranch

 

 

 

Platinum

 

Limited

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Moosetang]

Limited grille and those where the two bars thin out in the middle are working for me. Where's the mesh grile from the announcement?

[02MustangGT]

Open mesh grill=FX4 package.

[theoldwizard]

 

 

So what is the deal with DI on the 3.3L? I was under the impression from your comments that DI wasn't really worth in a Naturally aspirated engine?

The specialists who told me that (10 years ago) have all retired. DI works well when you can run lean, which you can not do in the US !

 

Maybe they did not want to tool up a second manifold ?

[blazerdude20]

Limited grille and those where the two bars thin out in the middle are working for me. Where's the mesh grile from the announcement?

There are other grilles for each trim level depending on if you add the FX4 or sport packages.

[bzcat]

Limited grille and those where the two bars thin out in the middle are working for me. Where's the mesh grile from the announcement?

 

 

Open mesh grill=FX4 package.

 

Yep... FX4 can be ordered on many different trim level so it may replace the standard grille for that trim level.

 

e.g. XLT FX4 will probably have the mesh grille but Platinum or Limited FX4 may keep the more expensive look [note: this is a guess, I don't actually know for sure]

[theoldwizard]

The updated 3.5 only gained 10hp ...

The new 3.5L fixed a "problem" that the old one had. The old 3.5L had the water pump "buried" in the valley. If the pump started to fail it would add coolant to the pan. Too much or too long and that was the end of the main bearings.

 

Now most people who saw low coolant would want to know where the coolant was going, but there were enough that just topped it off and kept driving.

[fordtech1]

The new 3.5L fixed a "problem" that the old one had. The old 3.5L had the water pump "buried" in the valley. If the pump started to fail it would add coolant to the pan. Too much or too long and that was the end of the main bearings.

 

Now most people who saw low coolant would want to know where the coolant was going, but there were enough that just topped it off and kept driving.

RWD configuration 3.5 and 3.7 have an external water pump. FWD has it behind front cover and timing chain driven. I was told because it wouldn't fit. Water pumps that leak should mostly leak out the weep holes instead of inside the engine. However, I have seen on FWD it happen when the pump bearing is shot and coolant enters the crankcase. Edited January 10, 2017 by fordtech1

[blksn8k2]

 

Okay, I am getting conflict information. ot at least information that does not "smell" correct.

 

• The 3.3L is the naturally aspired little brother of the "new for 2015" 3.5L. One report said it had 12 injectors ?
• Another report said the 5.0L was getting 16 injector and using Plasma Transferred Wire Arc (PTWA) thermal spray instead of iron liners ? Both statements sound suspicious.
• One report called the 2.7L EB "all new". Refreshed, but "all new" ?

 

 

Go back and watch the Mr Truck video near the beginning of this topic. At about 1:12 they show close-ups of each engine and the plaques at the base of each with a basic description. Might answer most of your questions. Looks to me like all 2018 F-150 gas engines will get low pressure port injection combined with high pressure direct injection. In other words, two injectors per cylinder.

 

As far as I know the only current V-8 with PTWA is the low volume 5.2L Voodoo.

[jpd80]

The new 3.5L fixed a "problem" that the old one had. The old 3.5L had the water pump "buried" in the valley. If the pump started to fail it would add coolant to the pan. Too much or too long and that was the end of the main bearings.

 

Now most people who saw low coolant would want to know where the coolant was going, but there were enough that just topped it off and kept driving.

 

[twintornados]

 

I am giving away my age here but my first new vehicle was a 77 F-150 with the Free Wheeling package. It was a beautiful metallic jade green Flareside with white pinstriping. 351M with a NP435 4-speed and 4x4. Awesome truck.

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We had a brand new 1978 F350 4X2 12' rack truck at my dads TV and Appliance shop with the 351M and granny gear four speed manual. That thing was a beast. It was metallic dark brown.