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13 hours ago, twintornados said:

Those crazy Aussies and their wonderful stuff....

Hmnnn-Ever wonder if their success is related to the distance from Dearborn?😎

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On 11/28/2018 at 1:32 PM, Bob Rosadini said:

Thx- I knew the 300 was an extension of the 240-never heard of a Barra.

 

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One more...

 

 

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On 11/25/2018 at 5:51 PM, jpd80 said:

I think Ford will go the low cost route of enlarging boss 6.2 ...

 

On 11/26/2018 at 10:46 AM, 30 OTT 6 said:

I think when it comes to reusing existing engine line tooling the bore centres are key. They have to be the same.

I agree with both of these statements.

On 11/25/2018 at 5:51 PM, jpd80 said:

...  and reusing the 6.8 machining tools to do that as cheaply as possible but, I’d also glad to be proven completely wrong on this.........

Now that statement does NOT make sense.  Head machining line designed for a V10 make V8 heads ?

Edited by theoldwizard

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Also can't use the V10 line to machine anything based on the 6.2 due to the vastly different bore centers.

The new 7.x could be a tall deck engine based on the 6.2 and produced on the existing 6.2 line with some changes. Or the 7.x could be a coyote-ized V10 and be produced on the existing V10 line. Or it could be neither (such as a V8 with even wider bore centers than the 6.2 or maybe even a huge straight six if they really wanted to get crazy like we were discussing earlier).

I doubt it's a coyote-ized V10 because that wouldn't take an entire year to change the line over.

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1 hour ago, Sevensecondsuv said:

Also can't use the V10 line to machine anything based on the 6.2 due to the vastly different bore centers.

The new 7.x could be a tall deck engine based on the 6.2 and produced on the existing 6.2 line with some changes. Or the 7.x could be a coyote-ized V10 and be produced on the existing V10 line. Or it could be neither (such as a V8 with even wider bore centers than the 6.2 or maybe even a huge straight six if they really wanted to get crazy like we were discussing earlier).

I doubt it's a coyote-ized V10 because that wouldn't take an entire year to change the line over.

Coyote V10 would be a beast!

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5 hours ago, theoldwizard said:

 

I agree with both of these statements.

Now that statement does NOT make sense.  Head machining line designed for a V10 make V8 heads ?

The MOD plant used to switch between V8 and V10 production  in a matter of hours...

I never mentioned machining cylinder heads.

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Also can't use the V10 line to machine anything based on the 6.2 due to the vastly different bore centers.

Why?

The V10 machinery may be able to be reset for a wider bore span, remember the engine plant is in a new location, I'm not saying that it will definitely be reused but I can imagine Ford reusing as much machinery as possible.

 

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http://www.mustangandfords.com/parts/m5lp-1003-2011-ford-mustang-gt-50-coyote-engine/

The Short-Block
Because a major mandate of the Coyote program was utilizing Ford's existing V-8 mass-production capabilities, and because 5.0 liters was considered the appropriate displacement, the jumping-off point for the Coyote was the closest existing engine, the Three-Valve 4.6 V-8. Bore spacing is critical in the modular engine family-all modulars use 100mm (3.937-inch) bore spacing-because bore spacing and right bank leading are the major non-adjustable features of Ford's block machining line at the engine plant. In fact, bore spacing is likely the defining characteristic of the modular engines. They got the name "modular" because they were conceived in the '80s as a family of engines the assembly plant would sense as nearly identical and thereby allow rapid flexibility in their production. Thus, a modular could be a V or inline four-, six- or eight-cylinder engine, and any one of those engines could be built on Ford's engine lines with just a few hours of change-over time. In some cases similar engines could be built at the same time on the same line in random order, such as is done with 4.6 and 5.4. Given all that, the new 5.0 was going to have a 100mm bore spacing and claim its place as the newest member of the modular family even though in nearly all other respects it is an all-new engine.

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The 7.3 differs in that it will be much lower volume and not part of a high volume line.

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Not that much lower in volume - it will be available in F350/450/550 as well as F53/F59 stripped chassis and bus chassis as well as industrial applications where V10 now is....

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A little perspective,

Total sales of Ford’s class 3 to 8 trucks is less than 10k / mth, that’s excluding F250 which would add about another 15k at best. So I doubt we’re talking about exceeding  10k/ mth production. Even with MD E Series included 

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15 hours ago, jpd80 said:

A little perspective,

Total sales of Ford’s class 3 to 8 trucks is less than 10k / mth, that’s excluding F250 which would add about another 15k at best. So I doubt we’re talking about exceeding  10k/ mth production. Even with MD E Series included 

Any new 7.X V8 will replace the WSG1068 Ford Industrial engine used in generators, pump stations, agriculture spraying equipt, etc etc...

http://www.powertechengines.com/FordData/FPPWSG1068DataSheet.pdf

FPPWSG1068DataSheet.pdf

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1 hour ago, twintornados said:

Any new 7.X V8 will replace the WSG1068 Ford Industrial engine used in generators, pump stations, agriculture spraying equipt, etc etc...

http://www.powertechengines.com/FordData/FPPWSG1068DataSheet.pdf

FPPWSG1068DataSheet.pdf

And in any case,I have to believe there will be a gain across the board in every class where Ford's current option is the V-10.  This engine is being designed as a better option to the V-10 as well as an alternative to buyers who are currently paying a diesel premium in class 5, 6 and 7 when they do not run the annual mileage to justify the diesel-be it a Power Stroke, Duramax,  6.7 Cummins, Detroit, or Hino.

This is being designed as an gasoline option that puts out significantly better power than any gasoline engine available and is comparable to the diesel options or only available engine  from a power perspective

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Any idea on when this thing actually shows up?  I'm tired of the wait haha.

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5 hours ago, twintornados said:

Any new 7.X V8 will replace the WSG1068 Ford Industrial engine used in generators, pump stations, agriculture spraying equipt, etc etc...

http://www.powertechengines.com/FordData/FPPWSG1068DataSheet.pdf

FPPWSG1068DataSheet.pdf

It does not seem as though Ford actively pursues that business anymore.  That spec. sheet is 19 years old!  There are still a few manufacturers that use Ford engines in industrial equipment, but I have no idea how they are procuring Ford engines.  Generac was using the V-10 in some gaseous fueled generators, but they might be in the process of going to Powertrain Solutions International engines.  It would seem though that 7X would be a good industrial engine.    

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16 minutes ago, 7Mary3 said:

It does not seem as though Ford actively pursues that business anymore.  That spec. sheet is 19 years old!  There are still a few manufacturers that use Ford engines in industrial equipment, but I have no idea how they are procuring Ford engines.  Generac was using the V-10 in some gaseous fueled generators, but they might be in the process of going to Powertrain Solutions International engines.  It would seem though that 7X would be a good industrial engine.    

Agree-I did not do a search other than clicking onTT's link but when I have done a search, I got the distinct impression this was not a direct Ford operation as it was i n the old days.  And there was a ton of new equipment on the market that had the "Powered by Ford" badge,  

Another bit of Ford thrown out the window in the name of ..."focusing on our core business"..or whatever the MBA "speak of the day" is.😟

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47 minutes ago, Bob Rosadini said:

Agree-I did not do a search other than clicking onTT's link but when I have done a search, I got the distinct impression this was not a direct Ford operation as it was i n the old days.  And there was a ton of new equipment on the market that had the "Powered by Ford" badge,  

Another bit of Ford thrown out the window in the name of ..."focusing on our core business"..or whatever the MBA "speak of the day" is.😟

Don't forget about abandoned buildings and fad companies 

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1 minute ago, fuzzymoomoo said:

Don't forget about abandoned buildings and fad companies 

...and scrapyards and European car companies.

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8 hours ago, rmc523 said:

Any idea on when this thing actually shows up?  I'm tired of the wait haha.

August 2019

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How about some more wild speculation - stacked intake ports, deep skirt side oiler block, and mushroom tappets anyone?

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On 11/30/2018 at 10:29 AM, rmc523 said:

Any idea on when this thing actually shows up?  I'm tired of the wait haha.

Yeah we've been only talking about this for over 2 years now LOL

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On 11/30/2018 at 6:04 PM, jpd80 said:

August 2019

Will it be available for sale in August 2019?

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