92merc Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 If I were CHP, the thing that would concern me is FCA doesn't have any solid plans on upcoming cars. My bet is FCA will let the Charger rot on the vine, then ax it because they don't have the money to engineer a new model. On the other hand, due to shifting sales, I think the Taurus will rot on the vine. But since most are moving towards Utilities, this isn't a big issue. Ford will be putting a big effort into the next PIU, no matter what platform they go on. It'll still be around in 5 years. I wouldn't take a bet on FCA being around in the police market in 5 years. Much less Dodge/FCA corporate being around as it is in 5. (Sold off in auction to highest bidder...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Good points, full size cars are out of style, frankly. And CHP will end up going back to Utilities once FCA goes under and get parted out. Sooner, not later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Good points, full size cars are out of style, frankly. And CHP will end up going back to Utilities once FCA goes under and get parted out. Sooner, not later. Thinking out load-and remembering some special I saw on the tube that featured CHPs patrolling I-5. Chevy suburban is rolled over on its roof- Traffic is a disaster-major holiday weekend. Cop puts the CV pushbar up against the side of the Chevy and pushes it off road. End of traffic jam. Also much rather do a "pic" move in a 150 than an Explorer starting to see more pick ups in service around here. Look at performance of these things today vs 10 years ago. How tough would it be to turn 150 into a pursuit rated truck. They could have a mix of 4WD and two wheel- commonality of components and built in guts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Thinking out load-and remembering some special I saw on the tube that featured CHPs patrolling I-5. Chevy suburban is rolled over on its roof- Traffic is a disaster-major holiday weekend. Cop puts the CV pushbar up against the side of the Chevy and pushes it off road. End of traffic jam. Also much rather do a "pic" move in a 150 than an Explorer starting to see more pick ups in service around here. Look at performance of these things today vs 10 years ago. How tough would it be to turn 150 into a pursuit rated truck. They could have a mix of 4WD and two wheel- commonality of components and built in guts! Some PDs have F-150s and use them for a variety of purposes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 So how do you win a bidding process when you're not the lowest cost? By having a better product. Not true. Many government agencies now have a policy of automatically dropping the lowest bid. They have found the lowest bid loses money which leads to corner cutting or excessive time/material charges to add-ons or design changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Not true. Many government agencies now have a policy of automatically dropping the lowest bid. They have found the lowest bid loses money which leads to corner cutting or excessive time/material charges to add-ons or design changes. I can buy that on certain things, but I don't think that would apply to mass produced vehicles since they're not custom built. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 I can buy that on certain things, but I don't think that would apply to mass produced vehicles since they're not custom built. Warranty, parts, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Warranty, parts, etc Total cost of ownership I would agree on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Total cost of ownership I would agree on. Those are time/material costs after the contract is signed. Examples of how FCA will get their money back after dropping their pants for the low bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92LX302 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) I have a good friend who is a Border Patrol agent. His post has Chargers, Crown Vics, and Tauruses. The agents all love the Crown Vics as an all around car, like the Chargers because they're fast (but every single one of them all say they can't turn worth a damn) and the Tauruses they pretty much all agree are the best all around handling but they hate the lack of interior space. Same here at our detachment. However our force stopped buying Chargers due to reliability issue (we mostly patrol rural Canadian region across the country - lots of our cars mileage comes from gravel road). Everytime FCA updates their Charger, we end up buying a handful to test them. It always ends up the same way: deceiving and universaly hated. The Taurus awesome pretty awesome and the AWD system is great in the winter. The legroom in the driver position sucks. Our province (NS) division does not buy PUI but the neighbouring one (NB) recently received a large order of them. One of our Tahoe (ATV/snowmobile/boat towing vehicle) is due for replacement and we were advised that GM Canada is not taking fleet order on them for a while. I wonder what we'll receive. I don't think a PUI would have the desired towing capacity. Edited July 28, 2016 by 92LX302 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Same here at our detachment. However our force stopped buying Chargers due to reliability issue (we mostly patrol rural Canadian region across the country - lots of our cars mileage comes from gravel road). Everytime FCA updates their Charger, we end up buying a handful to test them. It always ends up the same way: deceiving and universaly hated. The Taurus awesome pretty awesome and the AWD system is great in the winter. The legroom in the driver position sucks. Our province (NS) division does not buy PUI but the neighbouring one (NB) recently received a large order of them. One of our Tahoe (ATV/snowmobile/boat towing vehicle) is due for replacement and we were advised that GM Canada is not taking fleet order on them for a while. I wonder what we'll receive. I don't think a PUI would have the desired towing capacity. Ford does offer the Expedition and F-150 set up for police use, but neither of them are pursuit rated. I'm not sure what their availability is in Canada though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92LX302 Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Ford does offer the Expedition and F-150 set up for police use, but neither of them are pursuit rated. I'm not sure what their availability is in Canada though. Pursuit rated is not a concern here, they're used as utility vehicles. We currently have one 2012 2WD Tahoe that was sent to us because one of our car was totalled during the Crown Vic/Taurus switch over. That thing is useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Same here at our detachment. However our force stopped buying Chargers due to reliability issue (we mostly patrol rural Canadian region across the country - lots of our cars mileage comes from gravel road). Everytime FCA updates their Charger, we end up buying a handful to test them. It always ends up the same way: deceiving and universaly hated. The Taurus awesome pretty awesome and the AWD system is great in the winter. The legroom in the driver position sucks. Our province (NS) division does not buy PUI but the neighbouring one (NB) recently received a large order of them. One of our Tahoe (ATV/snowmobile/boat towing vehicle) is due for replacement and we were advised that GM Canada is not taking fleet order on them for a while. I wonder what we'll receive. I don't think a PUI would have the desired towing capacity. Ontario Provincial Police use Super Duties to tow (crew cab with fiberglass cap on back) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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