silvrsvt Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 392HP with a 20% estimated drive train loss means the engine is putting out over 450HP, not 435HP its rated at... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 392HP with a 20% estimated drive train loss means the engine is putting out over 450HP, not 435HP its rated at... and 20% loss would calculate to 470....more like a 15% from what i have read, i think 450 is accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpvbs Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 What is the typical rwhp range for the current 5.0? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pictor Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Doesn't it depend on the transmission, I was under the impression it is 20% for an automatic, 15 for manual but that could have changed in the with modern automatic transmissions. Ford is sandbagging non the less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanatWork Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Hmmm. Whatever the case, the Mustang with the performance pack just lost a comparo with a Camaro SS 1LE at Motor Trend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Hmmm. Whatever the case, the Mustang with the performance pack just lost a comparo with a Camaro SS 1LE at Motor Trend. as far as i know no 2015' GTs ahve been released to the press yet, could be wrong.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 16, 2014 Author Share Posted October 16, 2014 Hmmm. Whatever the case, the Mustang with the performance pack just lost a comparo with a Camaro SS 1LE at Motor Trend. From what I gathered, the Camaro had ultra high performance tires and the Mustang just had regular high performance tires on, which would account for the differences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Who gives a crap other than the Camaro fanbois? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Who gives a crap other than the Camaro fanbois? Every Mustang enthusiast does. Just wait for the sales figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Every Mustang enthusiast does. Just wait for the sales figures. So you honestly think that the results of some magazine test will affect sales? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 So you honestly think that the results of some magazine test will affect sales? No. I didn't mean the article had anything to do with impacting sales figures. I just think the sales of the new Mustang in general for the U.S. aren't going to be as good as everyone thinks. Europe sales could be good with the Ecoboost selling well there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 That Camaro sure is one fat car. I just think the sales of the new Camaro in general for the U.S. aren't going to be as good as everyone thinks. When Chevy has to put super-sticky gumballs on the bloated barge to get it competitive, the PD gang should go back to the CAD/CAM stations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 No. I didn't mean the article had anything to do with impacting sales figures. I just think the sales of the new Mustang in general for the U.S. aren't going to be as good as everyone thinks. Europe sales could be good with the Ecoboost selling well there. I don't think anyone is predicting a huge sales increase. GM can put cash on the hood and increase camaro sales too but Ford isn't going to follow suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Every Mustang enthusiast does. I'm a mustang enthusiast seriously considering buying one in the next 12 months. I don't care how it tested against the Camaro or anything else. I care about how it looks, drives and the price. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 And 99.9% of buyers aren't going to get near the limits that exploit the differences shown in the comparo mentioned. And if the differences really do matter, just put like tires on and voila! You have an equal performing car with a 1000% better interior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 You have an equal performing car with a 1000% better interior. the doesn't look like a cartoon car..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Hmmm. Whatever the case, the Mustang with the performance pack just lost a comparo with a Camaro SS 1LE at Motor Trend. From one person in the comments: Ford's PR department sends an options bloated model to compete with the 1LE that offers none of those options, thus negating what could have been a weight advantage. The 1LE is essentially Camaro's version of the Boss 302, an analogue to which Ford doesn't have out yet. It wasn't a straight-across comparison whether the Mustang had the track pack or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 392HP with a 20% estimated drive train loss means the engine is putting out over 450HP, not 435HP its rated at... and 20% loss would calculate to 470....more like a 15% from what i have read, i think 450 is accurate. You guys need to check your calculators--if you're measuring 392hp at the wheels with a 20% power loss, you're making 490hp at the crank (392/0.80 = 490). At 15% (392/0.85), you're at 461hp, more or less. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrongway Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 You guys need to check your calculators--if you're measuring 392hp at the wheels with a 20% power loss, you're making 490hp at the crank (392/0.80 = 490). At 15% (392/0.85), you're at 461hp, more or less. Check ur math bud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 392 * 1.2 = 470.4 if you divide, you can't use 0.8, you have to take the reciprocal of 1.2 (6/5), which is 5/6. 392 / (5/6) = 470.4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Check ur math bud. 392 * 1.2 = 470.4 if you divide, you can't use 0.8, you have to take the reciprocal of 1.2 (6/5), which is 5/6. 392 / (5/6) = 470.4 Both wrong. SoonerLS is right. Just do the reverse calculation. If you're making 490 hp and you take away 20%, that's 490 * .08 = 392. Or 490 - (490 * 0.2) which is 490 - 98 which is 392. Multiplying 392 * 1.2 is adding 20% to 392, not taking 20% away from the crank number. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 akirby beat me to it. SoonerLS is correct and you other folks are wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Am I messing up math now? I knew I shouldn't have changed majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Am I messing up math now? I knew I shouldn't have changed majors. Actually, it's a very common mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 16, 2014 Author Share Posted October 16, 2014 You guys need to check your calculators--if you're measuring 392hp at the wheels with a 20% power loss, you're making 490hp at the crank (392/0.80 = 490). At 15% (392/0.85), you're at 461hp, more or less. I was using 392*0.20=370,which I thought was a bit high, so I did some common core math and rounded to 450 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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