Suddenly Lois Lerner's Emails Are Lost.

[BlackHorse]

I couldn't care less if you ban me akirby. This forum is of little interest to me to begin with. Unlike Langston I will not miss it in the slightest and I will not make it a point to come back over and over again.

 

I'll even save you the effort if you'll tell me how to delete my own account.

Edited June 18, 2014 by BlackHorse

[akirby]

Just stop logging in.

[NickF1011]

This forum is of little interest to me to begin with.

 

Umm yeah, then by all means stop visiting.

[xr7g428]

Just stop logging in.

 

Umm yeah, then by all means stop visiting.

 

 

Are you guys nuts?

 

Let's review how forums work. Forum participants generate content at no cost to the forum owners. This content becomes searchable as the site is indexed by Google and other search engines. The more active a site is the higher its content will be ranked. High rankings (typically first page) are critical to attracting new forum participants. Ideally those participants will create even more content and the site becomes self sustaining. The traffic that this interaction generates is measured and marketed to advertisers. The advertisers provide the revenue to operate the site and to compensate the owners. So in simple terms, more interaction, more posts, more time on site = more money.

 

Let's review how to reduce the income of a site. Drive off the most frequent producers of content. Reduced content results in less visibility in search. Less visibility in search results in fewer visits to the site. Fewer visits result in less income.

 

Moderators, your job is to moderate discussion in order to avoid losing participants. If you want to moderate to avoid hearing things that you find distasteful, you need to rethink your value to the site.

 

Wake up and smell the coffee. The idea is to get the participants to generate more useful focused content. That means posts that contain more than just hurled insults and grammar corrections. You need posts that are relevant to the topic and include links to additionally relevant material external to the site. You need posts that result in links from other forums and Facebook accounts. Keeping threads on topic is not about good manners, it is about enhancing relevancy when indexed by Google. For every forum member that posts, you will have a hundred lurkers and silent members. You need the posters to generate the content to feed the lurkers.

[NickF1011]

 

Are you guys nuts?

 

Let's review how forums work. Forum participants generate content at no cost to the forum owners. This content becomes searchable as the site is indexed by Google and other search engines. The more active a site is the higher its content will be ranked. High rankings (typically first page) are critical to attracting new forum participants. Ideally those participants will create even more content and the site becomes self sustaining. The traffic that this interaction generates is measured and marketed to advertisers. The advertisers provide the revenue to operate the site and to compensate the owners. So in simple terms, more interaction, more posts, more time on site = more money.

 

Let's review how to reduce the income of a site. Drive off the most frequent producers of content. Reduced content results in less visibility in search. Less visibility in search results in fewer visits to the site. Fewer visits result in less income.

 

Moderators, your job is to moderate discussion in order to avoid losing participants. If you want to moderate to avoid hearing things that you find distasteful, you need to rethink your value to the site.

 

Wake up and smell the coffee. The idea is to get the participants to generate more useful focused content. That means posts that contain more than just hurled insults and grammar corrections. You need posts that are relevant to the topic and include links to additionally relevant material external to the site. You need posts that result in links from other forums and Facebook accounts. Keeping threads on topic is not about good manners, it is about enhancing relevancy when indexed by Google. For every forum member that posts, you will have a hundred lurkers and silent members. You need the posters to generate the content to feed the lurkers.

 

The point is simple: why would you come to a site you claim doesn't interest you anyway? The rest of your review is pretty irrelevant to why I responded the way I did. Just figure he should stop wasting his time doing something so "uninteresting".

Edited June 19, 2014 by NickF1011

[xr7g428]

LOL! So it's your job, your official duty, to see to it that posters don't waste their time here? Maybe you should drop Robert a line and tell him what a great job you are doing.

 

The point is simple: why would you come to a site you claim doesn't interest you anyway? The rest of your review is pretty irrelevant to why I responded the way I did. Just figure he should stop wasting his time doing something so "uninteresting".

 

 

You aren't here to send people packing, you are here to keep people coming back. Didn't any one tell you that? If you want to measure your success, just check to see if the number of posts in the area you moderate are increasing or decreasing. Hint: Moderation gets really easy when there are no posts to moderate. Good for the moderator, not good for the site.

 

Maybe you should take a look at this and realize just how few people actually create the content here. http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?/members/?sort_key=posts&sort_order=desc&max_results=20

[akirby]

If the goal was to increase site visitors then we should just start posting porn.

 

The vast majority of BOF members don't care about discussing politics at all. Topic bombing the off topic section with dozens of political topics and allowing topics to turn into general purpose person/party/ideology bashing serves no useful purpose and probably turns away many site visitors and members.

 

Most sites don't allow any political posts for just that reason. Consider yourselves lucky that they're allowed with only a few simple rules.

 

If you want to have those kinds of discussions then go start your own forum or website and do whatever you want to do.

[akirby]

LOL! So it's your job, your official duty, to see to it that posters don't waste their time here? Maybe you should drop Robert a line and tell him what a great job you are doing.

 

 

You aren't here to send people packing, you are here to keep people coming back. Didn't any one tell you that? If you want to measure your success, just check to see if the number of posts in the area you moderate are increasing or decreasing. Hint: Moderation gets really easy when there are no posts to moderate. Good for the moderator, not good for the site.

 

Maybe you should take a look at this and realize just how few people actually create the content here. http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?/members/?sort_key=posts&sort_order=desc&max_results=20

 

I don't give a rats behind about how many people post here or create content. That's not in my job description.

 

Did it ever occur to you that the reason more people don't post is precisely BECAUSE of all the political posts?

[RangerM]

Speaking for myself, I enjoy the debate. (not that I enjoy arguing or conflict)

 

I don't have any way of knowing how many lurkers there are, but just because someone chooses not to post, doesn't mean they get nothing out of reading the divergent viewpoints.

 

It's possible (although perhaps not quantifiable) that there's as much interest in reading the posts in the Off Topic section as in the other sections. And if not, then they just don't go there, just as I don't browse certain sections for lack of interest.

[akirby]

Back to the topic - Lois Lerner's Emails. Otherwise I'm more than happy to lock this thread too.

[RangerM]

I read earlier that Lois' crashed hard drive was disposed of in a metal shredder.

 

Probably a smart policy when disposing of (potentially) sensitive data, but certainly adds to the "hmmm" factor.

[FiredMotorCompany]

Back to the topic - Lois Lerner's Emails. Otherwise I'm more than happy to lock this thread too.

Arrrrrgggghhhh!

 

 

Things you never heard Lois Lerner say.

[MI451]

Remember to click the links occasionally too. LOL

[MI451]

I read earlier that Lois' crashed hard drive was disposed of in a metal shredder.

 

Probably a smart policy when disposing of (potentially) sensitive data, but certainly adds to the "hmmm" factor.

Yeah it does have a "hmmmm" feel to it, but I'm sure that it's just a standard practice to prevent hackers from dumpster diving.

[FiredMotorCompany]

Yeah it does have a "hmmmm" feel to it, but I'm sure that it's just a standard practice to prevent hackers from dumpster diving.

Where is the effort to collect the White House list of emails received? They have much longer records retention policies.

I don't think the "hard drive crash" excuse would work or Nixon, Clinton and Obama would have used it by now.

[xr7g428]

School children wait anxiously to learn the outcome. Ever since the dog ate my homework excuse was disqualified they have hungered for a new more effective alibi.

[Ron W.]

OK I'm not tech savvy but if my computer crashed, burned got stolen whatever, I can still see my e-mails by using a different computer and logging in to my g-mail - msn - Hotmail - outlook - whichever you use. So yes to me it sounds like B.S.

[RangerM]

OK I'm not tech savvy but if my computer crashed, burned got stolen whatever, I can still see my e-mails by using a different computer and logging in to my g-mail - msn - Hotmail - outlook - whichever you use. So yes to me it sounds like B.S.

I'd imagine the IRS doesn't use a publicly accessible email server, but apparently the one they use(d) sucks donkey balls.

[NickF1011]

LOL! So it's your job, your official duty, to see to it that posters don't waste their time here? Maybe you should drop Robert a line and tell him what a great job you are doing.

 

 

You aren't here to send people packing, you are here to keep people coming back. Didn't any one tell you that? If you want to measure your success, just check to see if the number of posts in the area you moderate are increasing or decreasing. Hint: Moderation gets really easy when there are no posts to moderate. Good for the moderator, not good for the site.

 

Maybe you should take a look at this and realize just how few people actually create the content here. http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?/members/?sort_key=posts&sort_order=desc&max_results=20

 

Frankly, it wasn't even a response as a moderator. It was a response as someone who does find the site interesting. If he doesn't, then why should anyone care if he leaves?

Edited June 20, 2014 by NickF1011

[MI451]

OK I'm not tech savvy but if my computer crashed, burned got stolen whatever, I can still see my e-mails by using a different computer and logging in to my g-mail - msn - Hotmail - outlook - whichever you use. So yes to me it sounds like B.S.

The problem is that the server required you to archive them on your workstation after your inbox reached 1,800 emails. Her hard drive crashed in 2011 with those archived emails on it.

[FiredMotorCompany]

The problem is that the server required you to archive them on your workstation after your inbox reached 1,800 emails. Her hard drive crashed in 2011 with those archived emails on it.

My Ford email account provides me with a Y: that is remotely located in Dearborn. There I can archive and store documents on a fully backed up server system. My local drive is not where they are stored.

 

Her excuse is pure, simple B.S. and using that excuse should bring charges of criminal negligence, at a minimum. She was a director, not some schlub like me. Her communications had direct relationship to policies and their legal implementation.

 

Only a sycophant would defend this irresponsibility.

[MI451]

My Ford email account provides me with a Y: that is remotely located in Dearborn. There I can archive and store documents on a fully backed up server system. My local drive is not where they are stored.

 

Her excuse is pure, simple B.S. and using that excuse should bring charges of criminal negligence, at a minimum. She was a director, not some schlub like me. Her communications had direct relationship to policies and their legal implementation.

 

Only a sycophant would defend this irresponsibility.

 

I'm only stating what the official report says, not adding my judgement. Perhaps Ford being a public multinational corp has a better system. And I guess I don't rank as high as you, because I only have the ability to archive on my workstation or the plant network.

Edited June 20, 2014 by MI451

[FiredMotorCompany]

While I am not a regular follower of this website, they address the pertinent aspects and align with the general experience and knowledge that make sense and reflect the results of studies I have done over many years.

 

Too bad the government sees $1,800,000,000 as too little money to maintain proper records retention and support.

 

IRS Email System 'Wholly Deficient' (Despite $1.8 Billion IT Budget)

The Internal Revenue Service's email system, the center of a Congressional investigation into the agency's treatment of conservative political groups, is "entirely underfunded and wholly deficient," a congressman said.

Rep. Sandy Levin, D-Mich., made the allegation June 20 during a contentious hearing in which IRS Commissioner John Koskinen was hammered by questions from Republican members of the House Ways and Means Committee.

Levin is the ranking Democrat on the committee.

Critics noted that the IRS operated with an IT budget of $1.8 billion in fiscal 2012 and 2013.

 

[TomServo92]

It seems to me that the IRS is "Enron-ing".

[FiredMotorCompany]

It seems to me that the IRS is "Enron-ing".

But Enron didn't have a cooperative Department of Justice.