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#41 OFFLINE   Langston Hughes

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 09:47 PM

1. So you are saying that a Fiat policy is a sound system?

 

2. So we should let them just keep spending as has happened since 1971? How much longer do you think this can go on?

    What are all these issues you speak of?

    Like the deflation we just went through?

    We had a gold standard for over 150 years that seemed to work. Fiat has only been for just over 40 years and look at the clowns we have now. I don't have high hopes for the electoral process. Financially this country has gone down every year since then also.

 

3. Fed policy can't control anything, it has been created booms and the following busts ever since. Do you believe in a market?

 

1. Ultimately, the fiat system is the only system we can use. There is no return to the gold standard at this point and despite having inherent faults it's what we are going to have to work with. 

 

2. We have had numerous different systems over the past 150 years most of them some sort of metallic standard, but they all had flaws as large as the current fiat system. most people put the gold standard at 1879 with interruptions for the War and ending in 1971. That would put it at under a hundred years over all. 

 

As for the issues your aware that the Gold standard is subject to manipulation by outside forces, namely other governments. It is also subject to short term spikes up and down. Then there is economic growth as output and gold production have to maintain an equilibrium

 

As for deflation lets take a look

 

1921 -1.6 -5.6 -7.1 -10.8 -14.1 -15.8 -14.9 -12.8 -12.5 -12.1 -12.1 -10.8 -10.5 1922 -11.1 -8.2 -8.7 -7.7 -5.6 -5.1 -5.1 -6.2 -5.1 -4.6 -3.4 -2.3 -6.1

 

Some serious deflation in those two years. but lets check out the some more.

1926 3.5 4.1 2.9 4.1 2.9 1.1 -1.1 -1.7 -1.1 -0.6 -1.7 -1.1 1.1 1927 -2.2 -2.8 -2.8 -3.4 -2.2 -0.6 -1.1 -1.1 -1.1 -1.1 -2.3 -2.3 -1.7 1928 -1.1 -1.7 -1.2 -1.2 -1.1 -2.8 -1.2 -0.6 0.0 -1.1 -0.6 -1.2 -1.7 1929 -1.2 0.0 -0.6 -1.2 -1.2 0.0 1.2 1.2 0.0 0.6 0.6 0.6 0.0 1930 0.0 -0.6 -0.6 0.6 -0.6 -1.8 -4.0 -4.6 -4.0 -4.6 -5.2 -6.4 -2.3 1931 -7.0 -7.6 -7.7 -8.8 -9.5 -10.1 -9.0 -8.5 -9.6 -9.7 -10.4 -9.3 -9.0 1932 -10.1 -10.2 -10.3 -10.3 -10.5 -9.9 -9.9 -10.6 -10.7 -10.7 -10.2 -10.3 -9.9 1933 -9.8 -9.9 -10.0 -9.4 -8.0 -6.6 -3.7 -2.2 -1.5 -0.8 0.0 0.8 -5.1

 

Now your aware that Roosevelt took us off the gold standard in June of 1933. Let's see about that horrific deflation that occurred recently.

2009 0.0 0.2 -0.4 -0.7 -1.3 -1.4 -2.1 -1.5 -1.3 -0.2 1.8 2.7 -0.4

 

That is truly deflation on the same level of the gold standard is it not? No, actually it is not. 

 

3. Actually Fed policy can control things, and your aware of that if you spent anytime thinking about it. Volker in his time as Fed chair did ultimately control inflation. However your correct that unsound monetary policy can cause more problems than they correct. 

 

And we haven't even rehashed the points concerning converting back to a gold standard. That is a major issue. 


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#42 OFFLINE   97svtgoin05gt

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:03 AM

NAFTA really did some damage to America..... Clinton is a traitor for signing that war criminal's bill.

NAFTA was in my mind the beginning of the end for the US.  The flood gates opened when that thing was signed, jobs were off-shored faster than rats jumping from a sinking ship.  Every high powered exec in charge of moving labor and filling their pockets embraced that thing with open arms and gladly put huge numbers of Americans out of work all to bolster stock price and bonuses.  NAFTA to me is/was the single biggest reason we continue to experience a national unemployment rate of 8% (14%+ if you adjust for those not on the grid).  I'm not sure if it can be reversed but it should be as soon as possible.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 09:37 AM

 

 

In a scant 30 years (give or take) the average price of a car has gone from $10,000 to $30,000 or 3x increase. 

 

Based on the technology and content that comes standard in vehicles today, it's pretty much impossible to directly compare their pricing today to what it was 3 decades ago.  Even a "fully loaded" luxury car 30 years ago didn't come with many of the features you'll even now find standard on a Chevy Spark.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 03:50 PM

 

Stop buying the fancy shit at the grocery store. I like how everyone wants the gourmet shit but bitches about the prices. 

You do go into grocery stores don't you???  You do see that just about every item is $5 $6 $10 $12 right?  Its not my imagination and unless you're eating white pasta and rice every night everything is over priced.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:22 PM

 

1. Ultimately, the fiat system is the only system we can use. There is no return to the gold standard at this point and despite having inherent faults it's what we are going to have to work with. 

 

2. We have had numerous different systems over the past 150 years most of them some sort of metallic standard, but they all had flaws as large as the current fiat system. most people put the gold standard at 1879 with interruptions for the War and ending in 1971. That would put it at under a hundred years over all. 

 

As for the issues your aware that the Gold standard is subject to manipulation by outside forces, namely other governments. It is also subject to short term spikes up and down. Then there is economic growth as output and gold production have to maintain an equilibrium

 

As for deflation lets take a look

 

1921 -1.6 -5.6 -7.1 -10.8 -14.1 -15.8 -14.9 -12.8 -12.5 -12.1 -12.1 -10.8 -10.5 1922 -11.1 -8.2 -8.7 -7.7 -5.6 -5.1 -5.1 -6.2 -5.1 -4.6 -3.4 -2.3 -6.1

 

Some serious deflation in those two years. but lets check out the some more.

1926 3.5 4.1 2.9 4.1 2.9 1.1 -1.1 -1.7 -1.1 -0.6 -1.7 -1.1 1.1 1927 -2.2 -2.8 -2.8 -3.4 -2.2 -0.6 -1.1 -1.1 -1.1 -1.1 -2.3 -2.3 -1.7 1928 -1.1 -1.7 -1.2 -1.2 -1.1 -2.8 -1.2 -0.6 0.0 -1.1 -0.6 -1.2 -1.7 1929 -1.2 0.0 -0.6 -1.2 -1.2 0.0 1.2 1.2 0.0 0.6 0.6 0.6 0.0 1930 0.0 -0.6 -0.6 0.6 -0.6 -1.8 -4.0 -4.6 -4.0 -4.6 -5.2 -6.4 -2.3 1931 -7.0 -7.6 -7.7 -8.8 -9.5 -10.1 -9.0 -8.5 -9.6 -9.7 -10.4 -9.3 -9.0 1932 -10.1 -10.2 -10.3 -10.3 -10.5 -9.9 -9.9 -10.6 -10.7 -10.7 -10.2 -10.3 -9.9 1933 -9.8 -9.9 -10.0 -9.4 -8.0 -6.6 -3.7 -2.2 -1.5 -0.8 0.0 0.8 -5.1

 

Now your aware that Roosevelt took us off the gold standard in June of 1933. Let's see about that horrific deflation that occurred recently.

2009 0.0 0.2 -0.4 -0.7 -1.3 -1.4 -2.1 -1.5 -1.3 -0.2 1.8 2.7 -0.4

 

That is truly deflation on the same level of the gold standard is it not? No, actually it is not. 

 

3. Actually Fed policy can control things, and your aware of that if you spent anytime thinking about it. Volker in his time as Fed chair did ultimately control inflation. However your correct that unsound monetary policy can cause more problems than they correct. 

 

And we haven't even rehashed the points concerning converting back to a gold standard. That is a major issue. 

1. So we choose a system that is a proven failure over one, even you admit, just has faults?

 

2. Like I said flaws compared to a proven failure of a system. Don't we cry about currency manipulation now? So long term ups and downs are better?

 

3. They control the booms but are getting to the point of not being able to control the busts. How long have rates been at all time lows and where is our economy still stuck? They can't control it. The 80's were great economic times under Volckers rule, LOL. "However your correct that unsound monetary policy can cause more problems than they correct." This is why it has always failed in history.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:30 PM

1. So we choose a system that is a proven failure over one, even you admit, just has faults?

 

2. Like I said flaws compared to a proven failure of a system. Don't we cry about currency manipulation now? So long term ups and downs are better?

 

3. They control the booms but are getting to the point of not being able to control the busts. How long have rates been at all time lows and where is our economy still stuck? They can't control it. The 80's were great economic times under Volckers rule, LOL. "However your correct that unsound monetary policy can cause more problems than they correct." This is why it has always failed in history.

 

1. Please provide some evidence of such. 

 

2. Your deflecting. You made mention of the recent deflation and then when faced with the inherent issues of a gold standard, namely large scale deflation, not the actions of the FED you act like you didn't notice and just repeat the same generic statements you made in #1. 

 

3. Everything that conservatives credit to Reagan was because of Volker's time at the FED. Of course no one likes a recession and ultimately Volker did cause one, but the reality is that he unlike any Fed Chair before him ultimately brought inflation back under control. While the medicine was tough to swallow, it was the correct course of action. And then another random no evidence statement. 

 

4. So what we know about about the Gold standard at this point is that it creates volatile swings in the market, has a huge deflationary effect on our economy included wages, limits growth at best and impinges on it when gold production drops but output doesn't, is 99.99% impossible to return to and is not a wise idea if we could. But it does limit government spending which seems to be all that counts for you. 

 

4.a. Currently there is not enough gold to cover the US dollars in circulation. 

4. b. Majority of gold production is outside of the US, which makes outside manipulation a real possibility. And going to a gold standard unilaterally isn't wise either. 


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 08:56 AM

You do go into grocery stores don't you???  You do see that just about every item is $5 $6 $10 $12 right?  Its not my imagination and unless you're eating white pasta and rice every night everything is over priced.

 

Eek.  Where the heck do you shop? :hysterical:


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:23 PM

 

Eek.  Where the heck do you shop? :hysterical:

 

Whole Paycheck Foods? 


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:46 PM

 
Whole Paycheck Foods? 

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That there's funny. I don't care who you are.

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 05:18 PM

 

 

 

 

Based on the technology and content that comes standard in vehicles today, it's pretty much impossible to directly compare their pricing today to what it was 3 decades ago.  Even a "fully loaded" luxury car 30 years ago didn't come with many of the features you'll even now find standard on a Chevy Spark.

 

It's the democratization of technology. Once upon a time V-8 engines, electric starters, power assisted steering and brakes,  heaters, air conditioning, power windows and locks were only available in luxury cars. Eventually everything spreads to the lower levels of automobile. This is in part what doomed the mid-level makes like DeSoto, Oldsmoble, Pontiac and Mercury. Once all the same luxuries were available in a Ford or Chevy, there wasn't the need. The lack of true exclusivity is also what hurt Lincoln and Cadillac. If these flagship brands still held the positions they had in the 1930s they would start at over $100,000 today and would offer coach-built exclusive bodies. Both Lincoln and Cadillac lost a good bit of their star power when they began to strive for mass sales in the 1950s.  


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 05:39 PM

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That there's funny. I don't care who you are.


It was.

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 07:48 PM

I can't take credit for it...my buddy was calling it that LOL


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 08:20 PM

I can't take credit for it...my buddy was calling it that LOL

What the hell?

 

A member with a conscience?

 

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 09:07 PM

What the hell?

 

A member with a conscience?

 

Rare. Rare indeed.

Must be a conservative!!


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 09:53 PM

Must be a conservative!!

 

Probably an independent. LOL


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 10:54 AM

Independent with conservative financial policies and socially liberal to a point ;)


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 09:24 PM

The CBO (Congressional Budget Office) reports that the bottom 40% of households paid -9.1%, YES....NEGATIVE 9.1% of income taxes.

Where the top 40% paid a whopping 106.2%......more than 100% of income taxes.

 

Now, tell me there is not "income redistribution" at work!

 

CBO:Top 40% Paid 106.2% of Income Taxes; Bottom 40% Paid -9.1%, Got Average of $18,950 in 'Transfers'

 

And of course we have Nancy Pelosi hawking Unemployment Insurance as a net positive economic stimulus.

 

Imagine the stimulus effect if the earners got to spend their own money instead of those beneficiaries of the governments largesse.

Some here believe the money goes further when spent by people who didn't earn it.


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#58 OFFLINE   Langston Hughes

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 02:40 AM

 

And of course we have Nancy Pelosi hawking Unemployment Insurance as a net positive economic stimulus.

 

Imagine the stimulus effect if the earners got to spend their own money instead of those beneficiaries of the governments largesse.

Some here believe the money goes further when spent by people who didn't earn it.

 

No, I doubt anyone believes that. 

 

Although, I don't figure that anyone in the lowest quintile is dumping their cash into Cayman island accounts, Any money from credits they receive is going right back into the economy within days of getting it. 

 

You keep playing the game with the assumption that all the rich people put all their "spare" money back into investments that will impact our economy, which they don't.

 

Here's a example. 

 

Give a rich person extra money and then they do (not all but some) invest in clothing today which come from textiles from India, factories in Cambodia. 

 

Give a bum a few bucks, he'll probably at least buy a beer brewed in America. Maybe even a meal cooked nearby too. 


Edited by Langston Hughes, 10 December 2013 - 02:41 AM.

"Whenever the government provides opportunities and privileges for white people and rich people they call it ‘subsidies.’ When they do it for Negro and poor people they call it ‘welfare.’ The fact is that everybody in this country lives on welfare. Suburbia was built with federally subsidized credit. And highways that take our white brothers out to the suburbs were built with federally subsidized money to the tune of ninety percent. Everybody is on welfare in this country. The problem is that we all too often have socialism for the rich and rugged free enterprise capitalism for the poor. That’s the problem." - MLK jr.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 03:50 AM

 

No, I doubt anyone believes that. (A)

 

Although, I don't figure that anyone in the lowest quintile is dumping their cash into Cayman island accounts, Any money from credits they receive is going right back into the economy within days of getting it. (B)

 

You keep playing the game with the assumption that all the rich people put all their "spare" money back into investments that will impact our economy, which they don't.©

 

Here's a example. 

 

Give a rich person extra money and then they do (not all but some) invest in clothing today which come from textiles from India, factories in Cambodia. (D)

 

Give a bum a few bucks, he'll probably at least buy a beer brewed in America. Maybe even a meal cooked nearby too. (E)

Let's try this format:

 

(A) What? Nancy Pelosi? Enough believe her to keep her in office.

 

(B) Why is the Caymans an issue? Oh, people are motivated to employ techniques to limit their tax obligations by finding "LEGAL" shelters. Perhaps re-examining the tax code will reveal ways to make keeping cash in the US more practical and less heavily penalized. People like you have pushed cash off-shore. You are the one who has made those techniques necessary and attractive. All because you think you have a right to others property. The paper equivalent of their exchange of their life's labor compensation. Take cash out of the picture. Barter, and sweat equity for sweat equity, is impossible to transfer to others. You have to sweat to provide a product/service for another to surrender their own sweat equity. The government and your ilk hate this. Because, it doesn't use "Federal Reserve Notes" or the country's fiat currency. It circumvents the banks and their manipulations and tracking. The IRS is frustrated by their inability to confiscate value to be distributed to non-participatory individuals.

The more you lean on those who have the means to avoid your extortion, the more you will push them to circumvent your attempts.

 

© You keep making the mistaken ASSUMPTION that anyone OWES YOU OR ANYONE ELSE their property. You are upset that they hold their assets and don't "share". Why do they have an obligation to spend anything? Oh, if they spend they generate commerce. Commerce is taxed money-in and money-out. Payroll taxes on individual income, savings income, property taxes......ad nauseum.

Once the money is earned, it shouldn't be taxed again. And inheritance taxes are among the most egregious insults.

 

(D) And neither does a "poor" person. In fact, the poor person is more likely to buy their clothes FROM CAMBODIA, VIET NAM, CHINA, SRI LANKA.........because Walmart is their friend.

 

(E) You are absolutely free to give as many of your own bucks to a "bum" as you wish. Please let me know how much you feel better for the economy for your effort. I'm the last person to interfere with your choice of what you do with YOUR money. Though, giving money to a bum, by most definitions, is mostly enabling. How about giving him a job painting your house, washing your car, walking your dog......or accept the fact that "bums" are self-employed and they "work" at getting the community to provide their support.


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I am sure you believe the president deserves a highly trained and well armed security force at all times......
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#60 OFFLINE   Langston Hughes

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 07:11 AM

Let's try this format:

 

(A) What? Nancy Pelosi? Enough believe her to keep her in office.

 

(B) Why is the Caymans an issue? Oh, people are motivated to employ techniques to limit their tax obligations by finding "LEGAL" shelters. Perhaps re-examining the tax code will reveal ways to make keeping cash in the US more practical and less heavily penalized. People like you have pushed cash off-shore. You are the one who has made those techniques necessary and attractive. All because you think you have a right to others property. The paper equivalent of their exchange of their life's labor compensation. Take cash out of the picture. Barter, and sweat equity for sweat equity, is impossible to transfer to others. You have to sweat to provide a product/service for another to surrender their own sweat equity. The government and your ilk hate this. Because, it doesn't use "Federal Reserve Notes" or the country's fiat currency. It circumvents the banks and their manipulations and tracking. The IRS is frustrated by their inability to confiscate value to be distributed to non-participatory individuals.

The more you lean on those who have the means to avoid your extortion, the more you will push them to circumvent your attempts.

 

© You keep making the mistaken ASSUMPTION that anyone OWES YOU OR ANYONE ELSE their property. You are upset that they hold their assets and don't "share". Why do they have an obligation to spend anything? Oh, if they spend they generate commerce. Commerce is taxed money-in and money-out. Payroll taxes on individual income, savings income, property taxes......ad nauseum.

Once the money is earned, it shouldn't be taxed again. And inheritance taxes are among the most egregious insults.

 

(D) And neither does a "poor" person. In fact, the poor person is more likely to buy their clothes FROM CAMBODIA, VIET NAM, CHINA, SRI LANKA.........because Walmart is their friend.

 

(E) You are absolutely free to give as many of your own bucks to a "bum" as you wish. Please let me know how much you feel better for the economy for your effort. I'm the last person to interfere with your choice of what you do with YOUR money. Though, giving money to a bum, by most definitions, is mostly enabling. How about giving him a job painting your house, washing your car, walking your dog......or accept the fact that "bums" are self-employed and they "work" at getting the community to provide their support.

 

a) I don't care about her

 

b) People move cash offshore because they can. Lower the rate and they will still do it. Your being nothing but an apologist for them. 

 

c) I didn't make any mistake. You fail to recognize that there are costs to living in a civil society. That's your mistake. People like you want the benefits of society but not the costs. Go be rich in Mexico and find yourself needing those concealed weapons and day dreams of constant active shooters.

 

d) Hey, we in the UAW, at least us liberals try to get people to buy American. 

 

e) Demand side economics isn't about feelings which separates it from supply side. Your money, their job, all this other stuff other than economic theory. All about your feelings, nothing more than feelings.


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