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Actually I listened to a 20min talk from a guy from Alberta, he was saying that saudi was happy when oil jumped from 20 to$28 and was satified there. (15 years ago or so) At the time it was too low to bother digging in the oil sands so they didn't. It would have to be at least 60-80 per barrel to make it profitable. Now as ima said, saudi wants to drop the price because of the glut to keep market share as they're worried about russia's oil and china is gearing up an oil infrastructure. But, algeres and others in opec want to keep prices up as they are used to living in that standard.

 

So, opec is internally bickering, the US is drilling and is awash in oil, russia is selling to anybody/everybody, china is gearing up for an oil economy....and the tree huggers are screaming and the naysayers are screaming peak oil...LOL!

 

Obama's having a real hard time destroying America now..

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Actually I listened to a 20min talk from a guy from Alberta, he was saying that saudi was happy when oil jumped from 20 to$28 and was satified there. (15 years ago or so) At the time it was too low to bother digging in the oil sands so they didn't. It would have to be at least 60-80 per barrel to make it profitable. Now as ima said, saudi wants to drop the price because of the glut to keep market share as they're worried about russia's oil and china is gearing up an oil infrastructure. But, algeres and others in opec want to keep prices up as they are used to living in that standard.

 

So, opec is internally bickering, the US is drilling and is awash in oil, russia is selling to anybody/everybody, china is gearing up for an oil economy....and the tree huggers are screaming and the naysayers are screaming peak oil...LOL!

 

Obama's having a real hard time destroying America now..

Because of capitalism, the enviros have cooked their own goose.

 

It is absolutely a travesty when someone shoots you in the foot. But when you manage to shoot yourself in the foot, that is called an adjective that should not be spoken in mixed company!

 

Have you seen that it has been released that there were WMDs in Iraq? It is just we weren't told, but even though our fearless dems knew they were there, they continued to absolutely deceive with a straight face for political gain.

 

How many of you remember many of these people on here proclaiming that.........."Bush lied, and our people died!"

 

How absolutely sick did you feel as people hosed you? Now we find out, Bush was correct.

 

Should we demand an apology? Nah. We are better off pointing at the reactionarys, and say........."is that really who you want in charge?" That should create a 75% landslide for the republican in 2016!

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Sometimes Fired, we tend to discuss the wrong things while having the correct ideas, in the wrong places.

 

CONSIDER---------> The OBYSMAL policy on fossil fuels! How do autoworkers support such nonsense, to raise the price of what is needed to fuel the products they build; in other words, supporting nonsense that could very well put them out of a job, their job, their UNION job!?!?!?!

 

Also consider; how do union employees complain about the rich, when 8 of the top 10 richest people in congress, (reported by MSN which is affiliate of the left wings MSNBC) are DEMOCRATS; and far, far, faaaaaaaar left ones at that.

 

Our friends from the left on here, seem to be willing to be able to put forth an excellent UNION argument against Scott Walker of Wisconsin, for basically throwing out public sector unions. How DARE he! How double DARE he!

 

And yet, they listen sooooooo much to socialistic talking points, they forget to not only oppose, but actually support Mr Obamas policies that will have faaaaar more impact on eliminating auto workers jobs, than Scott Walker had in eliminating government jobs.

 

Here is the real deal..............you know those teachers jobs in Wisconsin? How many were eliminated, lol. You won't believe me if I tell you because the left doesn't want to hear the truth; and if it does, it doesn't want to ADMIT it. And here is something else it doesn't want to admit, since the changes in Wisconsin took effect, how many teachers do YOU think opted out of the union of their own free will? You won't believe me when I post that fact either, but it is over 25%, and that is just a tease for you to find out the true percentage.

 

So let us all clearly understand the gist of this post-------------> UAW members SUPPORTED with money, the public sector unions of Wisconsin, against Scott Walker, to the eventual conclusion that over 25% of the union teachers couldn't wait to run like crazy from the union.

 

On the other hand.......the UAW SUPPORTS Mr Obamas energy policies, his epa, and everything else related to the environment including mass transit, that will have a huge, negative, impact upon their job.

 

Yep, sounds like some people are being pulled around by their nose to me, but somehow after being in the auto industry as a union worker, that doesn't surprise me at all.

 

That Fired, is talking about the auto industry, on an auto industry site that has relevance.

 

Personally, I too would like to ask the autoworkers over and over about.........if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor; or maybe the Obamacare penalty is not a tax, until the supreme court says it is.......which it did, lol.

 

But our tact should be instead how these people are going to cost auto worker jobs, many of them belonging to them. As far as I am concerned, logic doesn't kick in for people, until their beliefs have a deleterious affect on their own home. All of the sudden, just like the old Ford commercials, the light bulb comes on. And if they want to proclaim their beliefs are soooooooo strong that they don't care if they lose their jobs or the company folds; then the easy argument can be made that they need to quit now, for they are a cancer in a workforce that wishes to survive.

 

Being a retired autoworker, I have posted before, and I will post again the obvious...........being a free American means you have options. The more options you have, the more free you are. If the government restricts your choices, they are more than likely only allowing you choices, that are acceptable to them. That is not freedom! Realize that your choices are being put for by Mr Obama, Mr Biden, former speaker Pelosi, or maybe current speaker Baihnoir. Now think about it, with a vote of hands, how many of you actually believe these people are so much smarter than you are, they should be deciding for you, what you should do, lololol! Don't ignore it, THEY ARE, by the choices they allow you to have in your life. It is called the OVER REACH of GOVERNMENT!

 

Unions are the same way as of this writing. You are either a liberal democrat, or you are a pariah. It doesn't make any difference that Mr Obamas economy has nothing in common with Mr Reagan or Mr Clintons, it is just he has a D on his chest, so he would proclaim (as will Hillary) vote for me, I will set you free.

 

Are coal miners union people? What about oil workers on rigs? How about the people who made our tires, before they made regulations sooo tough, all the jobs had to be moved away?

 

Those people had their government turn their jobs to nothing, all had to do with energy; or use of it. Are you SURE you are happy sitting there with the people promoting MASS TRANSIT, live in cities, and one size fits all? Hey, do you young people know what a union steel worker once was? Yep divide, and defeat.

 

History teaches all things, and maybe you should look back to see where some of our brothers and sisters were, how they got kicked out of the box and by whom, (yeah, yeah, air traffic controllers, they were white collar anyway, so get off of it and look at people like you) and where you presently think you sit in the line of............whos turn is it to be thrown under the bus for the honor and glory of the radical left. I am not going to insist that I am a genius and you autoworkers are next, but I am far, far, from stupid; and I promise you that your industry (thus your jobs) are on the list, and you are moving up quickly!

You do realize this is the kind of talk that got the political stuff over in the off topic section from the employee section.

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You do realize this is the kind of talk that got the political stuff over in the off topic section from the employee section.

You know RN, that informing union members without bias, is a good thing. America is about freedom, and the more choices you have, the more free you are. Informing people of what is really going on, is a good thing; is it not? Especially when it is the context of their jobs, yes!

 

I look at it this way-------------> I am not gonna lie or deceive to make things look rosey, or worse than they are. If telling the truth causes problems anywhere where people discuss things, then we have far more problems then what is being discussed here.

 

Now then RN, I am not anti-union; heck, I belonged to one for 30yrs. But what I am is, pro INFORMED union. I am also pro Ford products, pro American blue collar worker, and pro American dream.

 

If that is a terrible position because I am not a liberal democrat and have different views on what is actually happening here, then I apologize. Trying to give people different options or points of view from a union standpoint is terrible, especially when the person leading the liberals has all the power, and continues to screw everything up.

 

If being on the wrong side of the political tracks gets people kicked that point that out while using respect doing it, then kicked I will be.

 

P.S. My daughter now works for Chrysler selling cars. How their vehicles seem to get a high rating is beyond me, but then again, sometime logic has no place in what is actually going on, lol! I have driven some of them, and trust me, I am not impressed! But, I do not know how long that Hemi engine will stay together when pushed in the trucks and Chargers, but man oh man, power and engine noise. You gotta love an automaker willing to take a chance.

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