The "Thrill Is Gone"-The Collapse Of Obama-mania

[FiredMotorCompany]

 

Strange that you constantly suggest the majority is wrong and not the way to run a government and yet consistently throw out polls about what the majority thinks.

 

Your take a very hypocritical stance on these things.

I think the majority is not necessarily "right". Six wolves and a lamb deciding the dinner menu is one simplistic example.

I cite polls to show YOU are losing the fight because YOU use the idea of the majority as proof that what you believe in is right.

 

I don't need a poll to tell me what is right. My maturity, education, experience and judgement tells me what is right in my opinion.

[Langston Hughes]

I think the majority is not necessarily "right". Six wolves and a lamb deciding the dinner menu is one simplistic example.

I cite polls to show YOU are losing the fight because YOU use the idea of the majority as proof that what you believe in is right.

 

I don't need a poll to tell me what is right. My maturity, education, experience and judgement tells me what is right in my opinion.

 

Good luck with that.

 

I'm not winning or losing anything, as this isn't anything more than a discussion.

[FiredMotorCompany]

 

Good luck with that.

 

I'm not winning or losing anything, as this isn't anything more than a discussion.

Then you are just a masochist if you aren't trying to "win or lose" the debate.

[FiredMotorCompany]

More bad news in the polls. CNN poll piles on with results aligning with other polls showing Obama approval dropping to 37% in the suburbs.

Even congressional Republicans are seen as having more power shaping events over the next year.

 

Obama approval rating sinks to new low in CNN poll

 

Washington (CNN) – As President Barack Obama's approval rating hits another all-time low, a new national survey also indicates that Americans say the President has less power than congressional Republicans when it comes to shaping events over the next year.

According to a CNN/ORC poll released Thursday, 41% of Americans approve of the job the President's doing in the White House, the lowest level for that crucial indicator in CNN polling. Fifty-six percent questioned say they disapprove of Obama's performance, an all-time high in CNN surveys.

The President's approval rating has now reached new lows or tied his all-time lows in polls released over the past three weeks from CNN/ORC, CBS News, ABC News/Washington Post, Quinnipiac University, National Journal Heartland Monitor, and NBC News/Wall Street Journal. And the CNN survey is the fourth non-partisan live operator national poll released this week to put Obama's approval rating between 40% and 42%. A CBS News survey released Wednesday showed the President's approval rating at 37%.

 

[fmccap]

 

Strange that you constantly suggest the majority is wrong and not the way to run a government and yet consistently throw out polls about what the majority thinks.

 

Your take a very hypocritical stance on these things.

This Republic was originally set up to protect the rights of 1%, not majority rules. The Founders were against that because it's always the downfall.

[Langston Hughes]

This Republic was originally set up to protect the rights of 1%, not majority rules. The Founders were against that because it's always the downfall.

 

And this is what you love about the Constitution? That it's not by your own words designed with any egalitarian intentions?

 

My thought these days is that we need to move away from the Constitution and back towards the Articles because the Constitution granted to much power to the Federal government.

[NickF1011]

 

And this is what you love about the Constitution? That it's not by your own words designed with any egalitarian intentions?

 

My thought these days is that we need to move away from the Constitution and back towards the Articles because the Constitution granted to much power to the Federal government.

 

It only grants too much power as it has been interpreted. If the judiciary interpreted it less broadly, you'd likely find much of the federal government to be operating illegally. But they just cram everything into legality through the interstate commerce clause, so they can pretty much do anything they want.

[FiredMotorCompany]

It's really gotta su*k being Obama's political polling advisor these days.

 

Obama Approval Hits All-Time Low in Ohio

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It's really gotta su*k being Obama's political polling advisor these days.

 

Obama Approval Hits All-Time Low in Ohio

 

 

 

It says 39% of Ohioans think Obama is "honest & trustworthy".

Ohio apparently has a 39% rate of stupidity.

 

Kudos to Obama for putting liberals / progressives deep into a hole I hope they stay in for a century.

[Langston Hughes]

 

It's really gotta su*k being Obama's political polling advisor these days.

 

Obama Approval Hits All-Time Low in Ohio

 

 

 

 

 

It says 39% of Ohioans think Obama is "honest & trustworthy".

Ohio apparently has a 39% rate of stupidity.

 

Kudos to Obama for putting liberals / progressives deep into a hole I hope they stay in for a century.

 

No, Ohio has a 99% rate of stupidity. Some of them like Obama and some post here bitching about him, but they all live in Ohio, which tells us they are stupid.

[FiredMotorCompany]

 

 

 

No, Ohio has a 99% rate of stupidity. Some of them like Obama and some post here bitching about him, but they all live in Ohio, which tells us they are stupid.

All?

 

But, I must admit Ohio turned for Obama. What does that tell you.

[FiredMotorCompany]

Even the family seems to have had enough.....

 

 

[fmccap]

And Bush was dumb enough to think that he could slip Iraq by us.

So it's OK for Obummer to lie to us since Bush did?

 

http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/28/iran-its-not-about-nuclear-weapons

 

 

The president must know by this time that there is no evidence that Iran has or ever had a nuclear weapons program. Every relevant intelligence agency in the world has verified this fact for more than a decade. Two U.S. National Intelligence Estimates that were made public in 2007 and 2011 underscored this. The International Atomic Energy Agency has also consistently asserted that Iran has not diverted any nuclear material for any military purpose.

Even Israeli intelligence analysts agree that Iran is “not a danger” to Israel.

[Langston Hughes]

So it's OK for Obummer to lie to us since Bush did?

 

http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/28/iran-its-not-about-nuclear-weapons

 

 

I'm struggling to see how you compare the two. One admin lied and pushed the country into War while you contend another is lying and trying to push us towards a sort of reconciliation?

 

Or are you suggesting that the sanctions pushed by Bush through the UN since the mid 2000's were based on lies and that Obama kept pushing those same lies?

 

 

I don't know if Iran is pursuing nuclear weapon capability or not. It's likely, as it's a awfully strong deterrent to actions by others against it, or at least that is the prevailing wisdom. My feeling on economic sanctions is that it doesn't hurt the governments as hard as it hurts the ordinary people of that country who usually have little power to change the policies.

[Langston Hughes]

All?

 

But, I must admit Ohio turned for Obama. What does that tell you.

 

 

Ohio sucks regardless of who it votes for in the Presidential race.

[FiredMotorCompany]

 

 

Ohio sucks regardless of who it votes for in the Presidential race.

Oh, a fan of the "blue", it seems.

[Langston Hughes]

Oh, a fan of the "blue", it seems.

 

Yep....

[FiredMotorCompany]

 

Yep....

I bet your opinion of Ohio hasn't improved any after Saturday's game.

 

Need a crying towel?

 

Edited December 1, 2013 by FiredMotorCompany

[FiredMotorCompany]

Where's the outrage at the Obama hecklers? "You lie!", was famously a popular topic for a few days when it happened. Especially considering it coming from a conservative congressman.

 

But, not so much when it comes from those invited guests at Obama events.

Most recently, an invited "illegal undocumented immigrant" asked to contribute to the president's "human wallpaper", typically employed for the benefit of cameramen and reporters, interrupted the president earlier this week.

 

And he's not the only one. This article claims there is a growing trend for liberals to take the opportunity to pull the president off-script. And as long as Obama responds and they don't continue, they're allowed to stay. Funny, if the were conservatives I am sure they don't get such lenient handling.

 

Why people feel free to heckle President Obama (+video)

 

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Heckling politicians is as old as the hills, but when a young man standing behind President Obama began shouting at him during an event Monday, that seemed especially noteworthy.

After all, the man – a 24-year-old undocumented immigrant from South Korea named Ju Hong – was invited by the White House to stand there as part of the “human wallpaper” often seen at presidential events.

And yet even, or maybe especially, in that privileged spot, Mr. Hong felt compelled to interrupt Mr. Obama’s scripted remarks on immigration and call on the president to stop deportations. Obama waved off the Secret Service, which was moving to escort Hong from the room, and addressed his complaint – denying he could use his executive power to halt deportations.

To many observers, instances of the president being heckled are on the rise – particularly, in the case of Obama, by those to his left – though numbers are scarce. Even Mark Knoller of CBS Radio, keeper of myriad presidential statistics, begs off: “Sorry, haven’t kept a heckle count.”

Gregg Lindskog, a presidential scholar at Millersville University who has researched sociopolitical disruption, feels certain that Obama has been heckled more than his two predecessors. “It would be hard to debate that,” he says.

The question, then, is why? Theories center on a general rise in public incivility, Obama’s race, growth of partisan media, and the rise of political polarization and political “cocooning” – people choosing to live and associate with people of like-minded views.

“We’re increasingly living in this dichotomous American society,” says Mr. Lindskog. “When you’re in those echo chambers, there’s an incentive to be the most liberal or the most conservative.”

When Rep. Joe Wilson ® of South Carolina shouted, “You lie!” to Obama in 2009 during an address to a joint session of Congress on health care reform, members of both parties condemned his action. Congressman Wilson was formally rebuked by the House, but his stock rose among conservatives.

Obama’s legitimacy as president has long been a source of debate on the right, and that doubt may be empowering some on the right to challenge the president to his face. Wilson himself questioned Obama’s birthplace in a radio interview not long after he accused the president of lying.

As eyebrow-raising as the Wilson outburst was, it is the heckling of Obama from the left that requires more explanation. In his five years as president, his speeches have been interrupted numerous times by pleas to reject the Keystone XL pipeline, close Guantànamo, end drone strikes, free Army whistle-blower Bradley (now Chelsea) Manning, and do more via executive action for gays and illegal immigrants.

There’s a pattern to how the disruptions unfold. Activists gain access to a presidential event, wait until the president is well into his remarks, and then start shouting, sometimes unfurling banners to give the TV some visuals to go with the audio. The president then responds respectfully, even if disagreeing with their point. Only then, if the yelling still doesn’t end, does security remove the disrupters. The hecklers are rewarded with news coverage.

After interrupting a presidential speech in Syracuse, N.Y., last August, Ursula Rozum explained her actions in a column.

“President Obama was not going to see or hear our message from the corner of Robinson Street and Teall Avenue, three blocks away,” wrote Ms. Rozum.

To Jarret Lovell, a political scientist at California State University, Fullerton, there’s a central reason why activists need to engage in activities that some might see as rude or disrespectful: the fact that everything in politics is “scripted,” from public speeches, to political conventions, to congressional hearings.

“What we’ve been seeing with heckling, dating before Obama, but especially with Obama, is this ability of activists to break the script,” says Mr. Lovell, himself a progressive activist. “Heckling puts these political leaders on their toes.”

Obama himself is partly to blame, Lovell says, because he has failed in his promise to be more transparent and accountable. Lovell sees short-term benefit in knocking the president off his TelePrompTer, and forcing him to speak from the heart. But he worries that in the long run, these episodes end up leaving the hecklers in a negative light. Part of it is, yes, the script that presidents follow when they’re heckled.

“Politicians have their standard response: ‘In America, we allow for freedom of speech,’ ” Lovell says. “They come across as generous. Doing the right thing is somehow generous.”

Martha Joynt Kumar, an expert on White House communications at Towson University in Maryland, suggests that Obama might be opening himself up to more disruptions because of how the White House allocates tickets to events.

“When Bush was president, they were very careful about who they gave tickets to when he had an event. It was not an open kind of thing,” Ms. Kumar says. “It’s more open with Obama, and therefore you’re going to have more heckling.”

And when the president replies respectfully to hecklers, that may only encourage more. When first lady Michelle Obama was heckled at a private Democratic party fundraiser last June by a gay activist calling for the president to address employment discrimination, she threatened to leave.

“One of the things I don’t do well is this,” she said. The protester was escorted out.

There haven't been reports of Mrs. Obama being heckled since. For activists, sticking with the president is probably a better bet.

 

The last bolded sentence is possibly due to Obama's failing popularity. It requires his staff to open the event to a broader audience so he isn't seen in an empty hall talking to the walls.

[Langston Hughes]

I bet your opinion of Ohio hasn't improved any after Saturday's game.

 

Need a crying towel?

 

No. Michigan isn't good this year and they took the suckas...er suckeyes to the brink. I'm at peace with the result.

[Langston Hughes]

Where's the outrage at the Obama hecklers? "You lie!", was famously a popular topic for a few days when it happened. Especially considering it coming from a conservative congressman.

 

But, not so much when it comes from those invited guests at Obama events.

Most recently, an invited "illegal undocumented immigrant" asked to contribute to the president's "human wallpaper", typically employed for the benefit of cameramen and reporters, interrupted the president earlier this week.

 

And he's not the only one. This article claims there is a growing trend for liberals to take the opportunity to pull the president off-script. And as long as Obama responds and they don't continue, they're allowed to stay. Funny, if the were conservatives I am sure they don't get such lenient handling.

 

Why people feel free to heckle President Obama (+video)

 

Bold, larger font emphasis mine

The last bolded sentence is possibly due to Obama's failing popularity. It requires his staff to open the event to a broader audience so he isn't seen in an empty hall talking to the walls.

 

 

It must be a slow news day over at whatever conservative feed site you got this from.

 

I can just imagine the faux outrage you are feeling at this minute that there are liberals who want for more from president Obama and you have over anyone being critical of a Congressman breaking etiquette and decorum rules. The horror of it all.

 

Is there no slight, real or perceived that doesn't get you feeling all butthurt deep inside?

Edited December 2, 2013 by Langston Hughes

[RangerM]

I can just imagine the faux outrage you are feeling at this minute that there are liberals who want for more from president Obama.......

Where I object to this line of thinking is that there are people who think Obama can give them things without cost. You can have free insurance, but you won't keep your doctor, nor will others who are swept into the maelstrom. You may not even get treatment, because it's simply not available.

 

Obama has extended the government's reach to the point that people who were already risk-averse from the financial/real estate crisis, are now government- and regulation-averse. There are very few opportunities for growth that people feel free to invest, without the fear that it'll be outright taken or taxed to the point that it's not worth the risk. About the only way to get ahead is to make the government your partner in crime (and yes, I meant it that way)

 

That should outrage you, as well.

Edited December 2, 2013 by RangerM

[FiredMotorCompany]

I can just imagine the faux outrage you are feeling at this minute that there are liberals who want for more from president Obama and you have over anyone being critical of a Congressman breaking etiquette and decorum rules. The horror of it all.

Let's see................liberal s*ck-ups make excuses for Obama's every failure, and berate those who bring up his failures.

We never see our local liberal pro-actively (a favorite catch phrase) step out front and report on and make a point of demanding more from Obama.

 

No. We only see accusations and personal attacks on those who dare point out Obama's failures and shortcomings.

 

Keep trying to make the argument about the messenger.

[FiredMotorCompany]

I bet your opinion of Ohio hasn't improved any after Saturday's game.

 

Need a crying towel?

 

Talk about "leaving it on the field".

 

I think they left it there.

 

how long before a head count comes up one short?

[FiredMotorCompany]

I can just imagine the faux outrage you are feeling at this minute that there are liberals who want for more from president Obama and you have over anyone being critical of a Congressman breaking etiquette and decorum rules. The horror of it all.

Let's see................liberal s*ck-ups make excuses for Obama's every failure, and berate those who bring up his failures.

We never see our local liberal pro-actively (a favorite catch phrase) step out front and report on and make a point of demanding more from Obama.

 

No. We only see accusations and personal attacks on those who dare point out Obama's failures and shortcomings.

 

Keep trying to make the argument about the messenger.

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There seems to be a run on rude liberals heckling their politicians for not being "all they can be."

Or not "what they should be".

 

Jerry Brown followed to events, heckled by California environmentalists over fracking

Gov. Jerry Brown, who championed environmental causes when he was governor before and made global warming a focus of his current administration, has been targeted in recent weeks by an increasingly vocal group of activists whose animosity would once have appeared improbable.

Environmentalists frustrated with Brown’s permissiveness of hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, have followed the Democratic governor to events throughout the state since September, heckling him for his approval of legislation establishing a permitting system for the controversial form of oil extraction.

The protests have become an awkward sideshow for the third-term governor, highlighting the deepening division between Brown and environmentalists – a reliably Democratic constituency – as he prepares for a re-election bid next year.

“The issue … here is about how Governor Brown wants to be remembered, and his history, and what his legacy is going to be in California,” said Victoria Kaplan, campaign director at MoveOn.org Civic Action. “Is he going to be remembered as the governor who backtracked on his commitment to addressing climate change?”

 

 

A little grammatical algebra results in exchanging the value X (otherwise read as Gov. Brown) with Y (otherwise considered as President Obama) proves that X is equivalent to Y.