Langston Hughes Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 ABC's George Stephanopoulos : ObamaCare Failure Could Undermine Obama Legacy and Vision Of Government Yeah it could but like all the others before him it would even out in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Yeah it could but like all the others before him it would even out in the end. Not a chance....everything he's touched has turn to crap.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Not a chance....everything he's touched has turn to crap.... No, it hasn't. He's got a better record than the previous admin, you know the Iraq debacle, Katrina, Pat Tillman and the list goes on and on. Obama's admin handled Sandy well, the Auto bailouts, this has been the only real thing that has his fingerprints that flopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 No, it hasn't. He's got a better record than the previous admin, you know the Iraq debacle, Katrina, Pat Tillman and the list goes on and on. Obama's admin handled Sandy well, the Auto bailouts, this has been the only real thing that has his fingerprints that flopped. Let me help you: barrycare Benghazi jobs (lowest total workforce in 50 years) All time high number of people on food stamps Record number of people below the poverty level Gitmo still open Median income down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron W. Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Let me help you: barrycare Benghazi jobs (lowest total workforce in 50 years) All time high number of people on food stamps Record number of people below the poverty level Gitmo still open Median income down Everyone keeps forgetting he wants to give amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, illegal = criminal. Aiding and abetting a criminal is a crime, hope the arrest him and send him to gitmo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal50 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Obama is a failure from any numerical metric you want to use. Person income down, unemployment / underemployment increased under his term, large increases in food stamps and aid and the big one a still crappy economy despite Obama throwing money at it. And that irresponsible thing of adding to the debt, Obama REALLY added to it when he said long ago it was irresponsible, like he has a clue either way. Obama care the ACA is the icing on the cake. With employment and personal income dropping wait until the full effects of the Obamacare taxes hit everyone. People are not rolling in dough now , when even more money is taken out of working peoples pockets its less to spend on necessities or toys. No way that helps any economy. Millions of illegal people added to the job market or receiving aid does not help. Nope, Obama made huge promises and delivered shit which is the liberal / progressive ideology without a clue how the real world works. Obama is the hero if idiots.Hopefully the asinine liberal / progressive social experiment goes away and people get voted out of office, permanently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevys Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 By the time his second term is over he will have run the deficit up more than all 43 Presidents combined before him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 By the time his second term is over he will have run the deficit up more than all 43 Presidents combined before him! No offense but Reagan did that, Bush 41 almost did, Clinton didn't and Bush 43 did also. http://www.davemanuel.com/history-of-deficits-and-surpluses-in-the-united-states.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) Let me help you: barrycare Benghazi jobs (lowest total workforce in 50 years) All time high number of people on food stamps Record number of people below the poverty level Gitmo still open Median income down 1. The ACA rollout is a mess i'll give you that. 2. You guys are off track with Bengazi. It has nothing to do with the President other than his talk of the video. That's less of a coverup than the W. admin over Pat Tillman. 3. Jobs are down. Do you actually expect jobs to back up to bubble era level? Even you can't expect that, because your aware that much of the job hiring then was based on leverage both corporate and personal. 4. I wasn't aware that he touched the Snap program, except for changes that happened with the ARA. As for the rest what do you expect with the Party of No holding the house? Your aware that Obama hasn't gotten a jobs bill through the house since the 2010 election and that his policies are not being passed. I could understand your feelings if his agenda was fully enacted the past 2 1/2 years but it hasn't been. Edited November 17, 2013 by Langston Hughes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted November 17, 2013 Author Share Posted November 17, 2013 No offense but Reagan did that, Bush 41 almost did, Clinton didn't and Bush 43 did also. http://www.davemanuel.com/history-of-deficits-and-surpluses-in-the-united-states.php So no matter how much you bitched that Bush did it, it's fine that YOUR GUY does it, too. You expect and demand so little of him and tolerate so much of his direct, intentional lies and refusals to follow through on his promises or the duties of the office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted November 17, 2013 Author Share Posted November 17, 2013 3. Jobs are down. Do you actually expect jobs to back up to bubble era level? Even you can't expect that, because your aware that much of the job hiring then was based on leverage both corporate and personal. Only because he promised his plan would prevent unemployment for going as high as 8% which he threatened would happen if he was rebuked. When he "inherited" Bush's economy it was about 6%. Tell me he wasn't a part of the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) So no matter how much you bitched that Bush did it, it's fine that YOUR GUY does it, too. You expect and demand so little of him and tolerate so much of his direct, intentional lies and refusals to follow through on his promises or the duties of the office. It's not fine that he does it, but lets not act like many other haven't ACCOMPLISHED THIS HUGE FEAT BEFORE. If your going to act like he's the only one lets not have it be something 5 or 6 other presidents have done before him. Can we agree that raising the deficit more than everyone else combined is commonplace in our lives? Edited November 17, 2013 by Langston Hughes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted November 17, 2013 Author Share Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) It's not fine that he does it, but lets not act like many other haven't ACCOMPLISHED THIS HUGE FEAT BEFORE. The make that as much a point when defending his presidency. And you accept he can do anything as long as he was not the first? And he is the one in the position to end those practices, but as long as he has support from those like you, he won't have to. So, you become an "enabler". If your going to act like he's the only one lets not have it be something 5 or 6 other presidents have done before him. You haven't seen me defending anyone doing so. Can we agree that raising the deficit more than everyone else combined is commonplace in our lives? Can we first agree it's wrong? Edited November 17, 2013 by FiredMotorCompany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Can we agree that raising the deficit more than everyone else combined is commonplace in our lives? Can we agree that it's not sustainable and we have passed the point of no return? Next step is the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 The make that as much a point when defending his presidency. And you accept he can do anything as long as he was not the first? And he is the one in the position to end those practices, but as long as he has support from those like you, he won't have to. So, you become an "enabler". You haven't seen me defending anyone doing so. Can we first agree it's wrong? We can agree that it is not healthy for our country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted November 17, 2013 Author Share Posted November 17, 2013 We can agree that it is not healthy for our country. Or sane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 We can agree that it is not healthy for our country. It's terminal. Please tell me a way out or someone that has one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) It's terminal. Please tell me a way out or someone that has one. You believe it's terminal so okay. Have at it. Edited November 18, 2013 by Langston Hughes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 No, it hasn't. He's got a better record than the previous admin, you know the Iraq debacle, Katrina, Pat Tillman and the list goes on and on. Obama's admin handled Sandy well, the Auto bailouts, this has been the only real thing that has his fingerprints that flopped. Again with the comparisons to Bush. "Our guy is ever so slightly less shitty than complete shit. Hooray!" Sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 Again with the comparisons to Bush. "Our guy is ever so slightly less shitty than complete shit. Hooray!" Sad. Equally sh*tty. Just for specifically different reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 (edited) You believe it's terminal so okay. Have at it. All you need to do is look at the FACTS, there is no end. Between Oct. 1, 2013, the first day of fiscal 2014, and Nov. 14—which was less than a month after Congress agreed to temporarily suspend the legal limit on the federal debt—the Treasury was forced to issue more than $1 trillion in new debt. - See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/treasury-forced-issue-1t-new-debt-first-6-weeks-fy14#sthash.eOSDw73k.dpuf Lew’s description of the way the government handles its now-$17-trillion-plus debt mirrors the Securities and Exchange Commission’s definition of a Ponzi scheme. “A Ponzi scheme is an investment fraud that involves the payment of purported returns to existing investors from funds contributed by new investors,” says the Securities and Exchange Commission’s definition. “With little or no legitimate earnings, the schemes require a consistent flow of money from new investors to continue,” said the SEC. “Ponzi schemes tend to collapse when it becomes difficult to recruit new investors or when a large number of investors ask to cash out.”To keep the government in cash during fiscal 2013, which ended on Sept. 30, the Treasury had to sell $8,323,949,000,000 in new debt. The government's single larget expense in fiscal 2013 was paying off $7,546,726,000,000 in debt that matured during the year. - See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/treasury-forced-issue-1t-new-debt-first-6-weeks-fy14#sthash.eOSDw73k.dpuf Edited November 19, 2013 by fmccap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Again with the comparisons to Bush. "Our guy is ever so slightly less shitty than complete shit. Hooray!" Sad. A lot less shitty. And I'm sorry but everything is compared against it's predecessor. Cars, computers, phones and even presidents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 A lot less shitty. And I'm sorry but everything is compared against it's predecessor. Cars, computers, phones and even presidents. Well that just means our next President is going to look like he practically saved the universe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Well that just means our next President is going to look like he practically saved the universe. Perhaps she will. I did notice the misogyny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron W. Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 she At this time the only female I would vote for is Elizabeth Warren, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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