bobbyd Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Or maybe no sweetheart deals for the Malibu, so the buyers jumped to the Cruze (lower price)? 30% of the Cruze sales (7500 units) were rental car fleet sales...that's why they were high numbers in August! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Does anybody know if the MKT Town Car is being sold now Not sure how it shows up in the charts, but it's been for sale for a while. I've seen a bunch of them here in Chicago, mostly in airport service I believe (I see them on their way to Midway Airport). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 30% of the Cruze sales (7500 units) were rental car fleet sales...that's why they were high numbers in August! 30% of the Cruze sales (7500 units) were rental car fleet sales...that's why they were high numbers in August! Wow, the beat goes on everytime GM posts decent numbers. It's Obama Motors and his minions create sales mirages. Or they are all fleet sales as no self respecting American citizen would buy from Obama Motors. Or they are all sub prime loans. Or GM is going crazy with incentives and losing money on every car sold and a good quarterly GM profit is Obama fudging with numbers again. Or XTS great first full month sales numbers are only because it's new and no other reason as if all new vehicles have great sales numbers first month out. Or selling almost 3,000 $40,000 Volts is some sort of Obama sales mirage while Nissan is lucky to sell 500 Leafs in a month and Ford is lucky to sell 100 Focus Electrics during same time period. Get a fricking perspective GM bashers that squares somewhat with reality. GM has problems for sure, but they also have bright spots, and small cars, Cadillac with its new XTS and ATS, and some other segments and brands are good signs. Now I would agree that the new Malibu is in trouble with its tight room in back seat area. Big mistake in mid sized segment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 You think GM is in good shape? They're overstaffed, their revenue trails Ford, Chevrolet products are decontented, they just sacked their CMO, they've had riotous turnover in the C-level over the past few years, and they're (naturally) unable to turn profit at the level Ford does in NA. Not to mention the fact that the government is about $25B upside down in their investment in GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Car Examiner Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Top-20 best-seller charts, for the month and YTD: http://www.examiner.com/article/top-20-best-selling-cars-of-august-2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 30% of the Cruze sales (7500 units) were rental car fleet sales...that's why they were high numbers in August! Do you have a link for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) Did anyone really expect them to? They were incrementally improved, but not vastly in either case. And is it too soon to start rubbing the new Escape's success in certain people's faces? :P Hey I admit I was wrong about the Escape. I don't care for the new feminized look, but the market seems to love it. So can we assume that all 28K were 2013's or are some 2012's still figured into that factor? So will 28,000 a month hold? I guess you are confident. It will be interesting to see how the new design ages and if sales continue an upward march like the previous model as the years go by. The one thing I still have a hard time envisioning is where exactly do you take a design like the new Escape with an MCE? My guess is the MCE will be very mild and the whole vehicle will be replaced much sooner then the old Escape. Anyhow I still enjoy my 2011 Escape and it is serving me just fine. It's actually a really good vehicle even though some around here think the old Escape is junk. Edited September 5, 2012 by 2005Explorer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Hey I admit I was wrong about the Escape. I don't care for the new feminized look, but the market seems to love it. So can we assume that all 28K were 2013's or are some 2012's still figured into that factor? So will 28,000 a month hold? I guess you are confident. It will be interesting to see how the new design ages and if sales continue an upward march like the previous model as the years go by. The one thing I still have a hard time envisioning is where exactly do you take a design like the new Escape with an MCE? My guess is the MCE will be very mild and the whole vehicle will be replaced much sooner then the old Escape. Anyhow I still enjoy my 2011 Escape and it is serving me just fine. It's actually a really good vehicle even though some around here think the old Escape is junk. Ford in press release stated that about 80% of Escape sales for August were 2013 models. So about 5,600 of the the 28,000 Escapes sold were 2012 MY. Didn't take long for consumers to forget about recalls. The 2013 Escape is off and running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 What sort of supply levels do they have on the Explorer these days? It seems like it's still somewhat supply constrained. Even with an MCE Flex is still disappointing. Are they really going to re-design and continue this vehicle (along with the MKT) when it's time or just focus on the Explorer and hopefully a Lincoln version in the future? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) What sort of supply levels do they have on the Explorer these days? It seems like it's still somewhat supply constrained. Even with an MCE Flex is still disappointing. Are they really going to re-design and continue this vehicle (along with the MKT) when it's time or just focus on the Explorer and hopefully a Lincoln version in the future? Explorer inventory seems low in my area, I never see them at my Ford dealerships and I know they are hot commodities. Some regions are probably struggling to get enough of them. Flex and MKT are likely to be phased out, they have always failed to live up to expectations and their volume doesn't justify significant investment unless they are determined to make the segment work and feel they have a niche to perfect. Ford may reposition the Edge to a 7-seater in 2014/15, or come out with another people hauler like the next Galaxy. I don't think the Edge will change form factor (add more seats), but there are always possibilities especially if Ford is interested in a CD4-based global crossover. It'll also be interesting to see how the MKX is handled this time. Edited September 5, 2012 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) Explorer inventory seems low in my area, I never see them at my Ford dealerships and I know they are hot commodities. Some regions are probably struggling to get enough of them. Flex and MKT are likely to be phased out, they have always failed to live up to expectations and their volume doesn't justify significant investment unless they are determined to make the segment work and feel they have a niche to perfect. Ford may reposition the Edge to a 7-seater in 2014/15, or come out with another people hauler like the next Galaxy. I don't think the Edge will change form factor (add more seats), but there are always possibilities especially if Ford is interested in a CD4-based global crossover. It'll also be interesting to see how the MKX is handled this time. I don't know how you all feel, but I think the Edge and MKX should remain 5-seaters - maybe I'm in the minority, I don't know....? Edited September 5, 2012 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) I don't know how you all feel, but I think the Edge and MKX should remain 5-seaters - maybe I'm in the minority, I don't know....? Agree they shouldn't mess with the Edge (and can't easily believe they would) tho when the nextgen Explorer comes out, maybe they could ADD MPV versions based on each as - a smallish tho still 3-row S-Max and - a larger than current Galaxy (assuming they change that last name so I don't have to go postal ) Edited September 5, 2012 by 2b2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) No matter how you spin it, Ford had a great August, 2012 selling new vehicles. I imagine incentives were up there, but Ford seems to be maintaining discipline with incentives and what a great month for Ford. Ford also stated 4th quarter production going up 50,000 vehicles. I would imagine there must have been more left over 2012 Escapes than noted, but still the new 2013 is all over the public roads here in Metro Detroit. For that matter, I see 2-3 2013 Fusions on road around here and 2013 Fusion sales should explode. Ford can't add more Fusion production at AAI fast enough IMO. That is one beautiful car. Hate to say it, and I do like the new MKZ, but the Fusion is so nice not interested in the MKZ at all with that price premium. I could do without retractable roof and push button trans. CCD suspension is nice, but again the 2013 Fusion is gorgeous and so premium looking without the premium sticker price. 2013 Fusion makes the Sonata and Optima look dated. Apparently there's only about 1900 2012 Escapes left in dealer inventory...Ford could use some incentives to get the last of them out the door.. Getting excited for Ford and release of Fusion MKZ, I hope they sell a gazillion of them.... Edited September 5, 2012 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrewfanGRB Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 It's actually a really good vehicle even though some around here think the old Escape is junk. Oh, for God's sake. Seriously. That's not what anyone's argument was. You're the one who can't accept time moves on, tastes for the MARKET change and Ford must change with it. You are not Ford's only customer! And while the prior Escape, the current Fusion, et al are all perfectly fine, nice vehicles--they are YESTERDAY'S vehicles. The market demands progress (if not outright evolution) and one ignores those demands at their peril. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 Some comparisons: Versa 9,186 Sonic 8,703 Accent 5,398 Fit 5,020 Fiesta 4,176 500 4,150 Rio 3,602 Yaris 1,454 Cruze 25,975 Civic 24,897 Corolla 24,311 Focus 19,073 Elantra 17,989 Jetta 15,426 Sentra 10,623 Forte 7,300 Verano 5,200 Dart 3,045 Camry 36,720 Accord 34,838 Altima 25,889 Fusion 21,690 Sonata 19,624 Malibu 14,495 Optima 13,949 200 11,997 Passat 10,090 Avenger 7,973 Regal 2,072 Escape 28,188 CR-V 23,877 Equinox 20,231 RAV4 15,685 Rogue 12,626 Terrain 9,143 Tuscon 5,376 Sportage 3,097 Edge 11,603 Santa Fe 4,524 Murano 4,095 Venza 3,687 CrossTour 2,020 Explorer 13,168 Highlander 11,441 Pilot 10,610 Acadia 8,148 Traverse 6,743 Enclave 5,125 Durango 2,884 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NickF1011 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Edge 11,603 Santa Fe 4,524 Murano 4,095 Venza 3,687 CrossTour 2,020 Edge really hits the sweet spot in its intended market. Hopefully they stick with what is working and try not to make it more of an all-things-to-all-people type of vehicle. The size and packaging is just about perfect for a lot of buyers. Obviously I would hope they evolve the styling and technology, but still as a midsize 2-row CUV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 Edge really hits the sweet spot in its intended market. Hopefully they stick with what is working and try not to make it more of an all-things-to-all-people type of vehicle. The size and packaging is just about perfect for a lot of buyers. Obviously I would hope they evolve the styling and technology, but still as a midsize 2-row CUV. Isn't most of the concern over the 2015 Edge based on message board speculation? Every single source I have is confident that Edge and MKX stick with their current formula in the migration to CD4 architecture. Program goals are distinctive tophats, dramatic weight loss and increased efficiency, and engaging, brand-advancing styling. I wouldn't be too worried. These guys haven't led me wrong since the Mercury announcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 Escape 28,188 CR-V 23,877 Equinox 20,231 RAV4 15,685 Rogue 12,626 Terrain 9,143 Tuscon 5,376 Sportage 3,097 2012: Online auto enthusiasts were convinced the 2013 Escape was sure to fail due to "Focus on stilts" styling. Edge 11,603 Santa Fe 4,524 Murano 4,095 Venza 3,687 CrossTour 2,020 2006: Online auto enthusiasts were convinced the 2007 Edge was sure to fail, due to overlap with Escape and Explorer ("What does it compete with???"). Explorer 13,168 Highlander 11,441 Pilot 10,610 Acadia 8,148 Traverse 6,743 Enclave 5,125 Durango 2,884 2010: Online auto enthusiasts were convinced the 2011 Explorer was sure to fail, due to being "neutered" with a FWD based car platform. Just sayin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Isn't most of the concern over the 2015 Edge based on message board speculation? Every single source I have is confident that Edge and MKX stick with their current formula in the migration to CD4 architecture. Program goals are distinctive tophats, dramatic weight loss and increased efficiency, and engaging, brand-advancing styling. I wouldn't be too worried. These guys haven't led me wrong since the Mercury announcement. Hope they have their ducks in a row when it comes to the planned weight losses on some vehicles. I know the Edge is a bit of a porker, but the thing feels like a freaking vault inside. Hope it doesn't lose any of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 Hope they have their ducks in a row when it comes to the planned weight losses on some vehicles. I know the Edge is a bit of a porker, but the thing feels like a freaking vault inside. Hope it doesn't lose any of that. I'm not too worried. Even the small Focus and Escape feel substantial in their construction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyd Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Do you have a link for that? Reuters news.com (Cruze August car rental fleet sales) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 2006: Online auto enthusiasts were convinced the 2007 Edge was sure to fail, due to overlap with Escape and Explorer ("What does it compete with???"). A better question is, "What competes with the Edge?" Looking at the sales numbers... Not much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 2006: Online auto enthusiasts were convinced the 2007 Edge was sure to fail, due to overlap with Escape and Explorer ("What does it compete with???"). A better question is, "What competes with the Edge?" Looking at the sales numbers... Not much. In all fairness, the Equinox is bigger then the Escape, but smaller then the Edge. its roughly the size of a 1990s' Explorer/Blazer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Supposedly the Edge is a "Personal Crossover", and another that is similar is the Murano, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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