Yet another 2015 Mustang Render

[calypsocoral]

The Corvette has evolved, just as the Mustang has and should. Kinda the point I was trying to make.

 

I'm not saying the Mustang shouldn't evolve. I'm fine with the introduction of EcoBoost into the lineup. I'm fine with it being scaled-down a bit in size. I'm fine with a sleeker, forward-looking profile. Heck, I'm fine with just about everything except the headlamps!

 

The 911 is more the exception than the rule. What is it about a Camry that makes it recognizable as a Camry from one generation to the next? What about the F-series? The Mustang will be recognizable as a Mustang because Ford will tell us and everybody else that it's a Mustang. It doesn't have to look like its predecessors to accomplish that.

 

Wow... you're using the Camry to illustrate your point? A Camry doesn't have to look like anything-- nobody buys a Camry because it evokes passion for the road. It's an appliance that gets you from Point A to Point B reliably and in relative comfort. It's something you settle for, not something you dream about.

 

An F-series doesn't really have to have a particular "look" either-- as long as it has a fully-boxed frame, a powerful engine, a towing capacity 5 pounds more than its competition (let's face it-- that's what the one-upmanship in the 3-horse truck race has come to), and a blue oval on the grill, it'll sell. None of the really do much of anything better than the competition (although I'm glad Ford caught them off-guard with the EcoBoost)-- it's mostly about blind brand loyalty.

 

The Mustang isn't just a nice car that gets you from Point A to Point B. It is an Icon of the American automobile industry. For many years, it was the only American Ford that anyone living elsewhere in the world wanted. As such, it needs to be identifiable as a Mustang without someone having to tell us what it is.

[Versa-Tech]

Out of all those cars you have listed, only the Fox Mustang looks completely different then the models from the 1960's..and towards the end of its life it started incorporating more and more old style Mustang design cues from the 1960s.

 

The Mustang II looks like a 65 Mustang with Downs syndrome, The SN95 Mustang was the first swing at a Retro Mustang in its first incarnation from 1994-1998 with aero elements from the late 1980s early 1990s, The New Edge Mustang was very poorly done IMO to make it fit in with the "new edge" styling that aged very quickly, and the 2005-2009 Mustang was a reboot of the 1967 Mustangs and have been updated with tweaks since then.

It would appear that our opinions are diametrically opposed. :slapfight:

 

That said, I agree with your take on the Mustang II. The SN95 on the other hand, I don't. I consider this the absolute worst Mustang ever designed. Apart from the fast back roofline, the [disgusting] tri-bar tail lights, and the side scoops. I can't find a single element that says anything close to Mustang. The hood might be long, but it sure as hell doesn't look like it, and the interior was by far the cheesiest of any iteration. The body style was the definition of jellymold, and epitomizes everything that was wrong with the 90s. It looked dated before it even hit showroom floors.

 

The New Edge was a MASSIVE improvement. It was (IMO) the best looking Mustang since the early 70s Models. It still didn't look like a Mustang, but it was good enough to kill the Camaro. Many people I know in the industrial design community believed [at the time] that Ford made a huge mistake when it didn't implement the rear end features into the S197; especially the scalloped brake lights and chamfered relief. Obviously they were right, as these changes were made in the 2010 refresh. A interesting note, Americans were the only one's that seemed to have a problem with the tail-lights (on the 2010-2012). But then again, American's aren't exactly known for their refined tastes.

 

The Fox Body never looked anything like any other mustang, with the exception of the 89-93 convertible which had some proportional parity. I'm not sure what retro cues (on the later models) you're referring to, perhaps the lack of an upper grill? :shades:

 

And yeah, 2005-2009 was kinda 67ish. 2010-present is 70ish.

 

Anyway, just a difference in opinion.

Edited May 11, 2012 by Versa-Tech

[GT-Keith]

 

There are far more Mustangs out there without round headlights than there are Mustangs with them. Personally, I can't wait to see them go. It's one element of the current Mustang that just makes it look old -- not retro -- just old.

 

I believe the Mustang ships with HIDs to off-set this effect. I feel it gives it a nice balance like the 50/50 weight distribution of the 335i Coupe.

[Versa-Tech]

 

 

I believe the Mustang ships with HIDs to off-set this effect. I feel it gives it a nice balance like the 50/50 weight distribution of the 335i Coupe.

Wow, that makes my political references almost seem relevant in comparison... Kind of like how President Obama makes Mitt Romney look Presidential in comparison.

 

Sorry, couldn't help myself...

[silvrsvt]

The SN95 on the other hand, I don't. I consider this the absolute worst Mustang ever designed. Apart from the fast back roofline, the [disgusting] tri-bar tail lights, and the side scoops. I can't find a single element that says anything close to Mustang. The hood might be long, but it sure as hell doesn't look like it, and the interior was by far the cheesiest of any iteration. The body style was the definition of jellymold, and epitomizes everything that was wrong with the 90s. It looked dated before it even hit showroom floors.

 

The New Edge was a MASSIVE improvement. It was (IMO) the best looking Mustang since the early 70s Models. It still didn't look like a Mustang, but it was good enough to kill the Camaro. Many people I know in the industrial design community believed [at the time] that Ford made a huge mistake when it didn't implement the rear end features into the S197; especially the scalloped brake lights and chamfered relief. Obviously they were right, as these changes were made in the 2010 refresh. A interesting note, Americans were the only one's that seemed to have a problem with the tail-lights (on the 2010-2012). But then again, American's aren't exactly known for their refined tastes.

 

What the heck are you talking about? The 99-2004 Mustang was just horrible implementation of styling. It used the same roof line without any changes that totally clashed with rest of the car. Then it started tacked on styling aids (side scoops and hood scoops) that just looked horrible and IMO was a reflection of the "Pep Boys" styling that was popular with "ricer" look on crappy Civic R and the like from the 1990s. The interior was a direct carry over from the earlier Mustangs that you say are cheap ass.

 

I think from 1986 till the the late 1990's Ford had some of the best styling/cohesiveness in the Industry. It started going off the rails with the 1996 Taurus then the New Edge styling. The only car that looked decent out of the New Edge styling era was the Focus and to a lesser extent the slightly restyled Cougar that toned down its overdone surface styling.

 

The best looking cars in the 2000-2010 period where the 02 Explorer, the 05 Mustang and the 06-09 Fusion. The Fusion restyle in 09 wasn't the greatest (I like the tail end better) but the Explorer and Mustang have very classic to look them that is timeless.

 

The Fox Body never looked anything like any other mustang, with the exception of the 89-93 convertible which had some proportional parity. I'm not sure what retro cues (on the later models) you're referring to, perhaps the lack of an upper grill? :shades:

 

Starting in 1991 or so (after the Probe blacklash) Ford started adding the running Pony badges back to the car

[30 OTT 6]

I still like the way my '01 Bullitt looks. Ford removed alot of the fluff (rear spoiler, fake brake scoops, etc) and made this S/E Mustang look a lot cleaner. Anyway, I didn't see a reason to upgrade to S197 until the 5.0L Mod motor came out for '11. But right now I'm more interested in the '14 1/2 edition.

[silvrsvt]

I still like the way my '01 Bullitt looks. Ford removed alot of the fluff (rear spoiler, fake brake scoops, etc) and made this S/E Mustang look a lot cleaner. Anyway, I didn't see a reason to upgrade to S197 until the 5.0L Mod motor came out for '11. But right now I'm more interested in the '14 1/2 edition.

 

The Bullitt and Cobra editions where the better looking models for the 99-04 years...

[NickF1011]

Nothing, if it weren't for the chrome nameplate or decal I wouldn't know a Camry from a Corolla.

That's sort of the point The Mustang has always been unique in the Ford line up, no way it could be confused any other Ford or competitor.

 

For most of its life you knew it was a Mustang because that's what Ford called it, nothing more. The 79-04 Mustangs really could have been called anything else.

[Mark B. Morrow]

For most of its life you knew it was a Mustang because that's what Ford called it, nothing more. The 79-04 Mustangs really could have been called anything else.

 

Remember the Probe was supposed to be the new Mustang.

[Ron W.]

Remember the Probe was supposed to be the new Mustang.

 

But Ford was smart enough not to give it the Mustang name.

[Ron W.]

It's a beautiful rendering, call it the Evos and play on it as the beginning of Fords new Evo,lution?

[StangBang]

For most of its life you knew it was a Mustang because that's what Ford called it, nothing more. The 79-04 Mustangs really could have been called anything else.

 

Yeah like a Pinto... The 1979 Mustangs with 4 cylinders, RWD and packaging literally became the real Pinto replacements in a boxy Euro style that correlated with the boxy Fairmonts replacing the old Maverick design. Of course naming it the Mustang helped it sell 4 cylinders better plus make everyone move past the Fireball Pinto tragedies.

[StangBang]

But Ford was smart enough not to give it the Mustang name.

 

Only after outrage from Mustang enthusiasts... At that point it became do it and be damned!

[Ford Jellymoulds]

SSSsssss dull boring mundane old Mondeo anodyne front end styling will ensure it will be an absolute sales flop in Europe just like the dull Probe, Puma, Cougar that nobody brought in Europe. Definitely would not buy this bland rendering.

 

Only close to the classic warm friendly charm of the current Mustang will pick up where the Capri left of in Europe a massive sales success No1 best selling sports coupe.

 

200,000 UK Cortina sales good, Cortina's Grandson 20,000 Mundane dull Mondeo UK sales in 2011 not so good for Ford profits. Now every man and his dog outsells the Mondeo in the UK so why Mondeo the Mustangs front end are Ford on a death sales wish it will end up with Aston Martin type sales numbers in the UK sweet bugger all?

 

2012 Q1 Best selling UK large cars with UK sale chart position (With added 1979 Cortina sales).

No1 RWD Cortina - 49,500

No9. RWD BMW 3 Series - 9,948

No10. RWD Mercedes C-Class - 9,485

No11. FWD Vauxhall Insignia - 9,331

No18. RWD Mercedes E Class - 7,111

No 21. FWDVW Passat - 6,246

No 22. FWD Mondeo - 6,086

No 30. RWD BMW 5 Series - 5,011

 

UK Top 361 sales rankings Q1 2012.

LINK

 

Ford UK sold 20,621 all models from Ka up to the big Galaxy in April 2012, let down mainly by the lowly positioned No 22 Ford Mondeo. Now the Mustang is going to get a boring Mondeo front end, even Ford's old sports coupe the Capri rarely never left the UK best selling top 10, it is the only Sports car ever to make it into the UK top 10 best seller as far as l am aware unless you know better? Mondeo the Cortina's hapless Grandson never makes the UK top 10 this year or last year. Folk seem to be buying quality BMW & Mercedes Benz RWD cars in the large car sector these days, in the past these would never had made the on to the UK top 50 best cars list, today they both make it into the UK Top 10 Best selling cars list in 2012, l wonder what car has failed Ford?

 

Toyota kings of boring will be selling the GT 86 for £10,000 ($16,000) less than this rendering of the Mondeo Stang in the UK. Which car will sell the best when dull styling becomes king on both? Warm styling of the current Mustang would have made the choice easy to buy, it's kept Toyota and Honda's out of the muscle car market, will the GT86 be the Camry of the muscle car market as Ford drops classic styling to join them with dull styling?

 

Sad to say this dull rendering from Mustang Daily is not for me, l think it will be another sports car Probe/Puma/Cougar massive sale flop if it comes to Europe, should have sent us the current Mustang. So l would rather see Ford kept it in the USA don't bring it to Europe, and spend the money used to bring it to Europe invested elsewhere in the Ford Mo Co.

 

The cold anodyne Pontiac G8 was supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread did it ever out sell the classic styled Mustang? G8 ended up with 300 sales a month, and help to finish off the Pontiac brand for good. So how will Ford ever hope to sell an expensive an anodyne Mustang in Europe with sky high fuel prices. It will appeal on no grounds what so ever just like the G8.

 

Sorry for sounding so negative here guys, but l just can't see this Mustang Daily News Stang that looks like a cold anodyne Mondeo with a squashed roof rendering appealing to anyone on this side of the pond, Folk that are cash strapped will go for a cheaper GT86 or if they have the cash to splash a BMW M3, maybe one of those very rare Mondeo private buyers (Mondeo's are nearly all brought buy fleet/rentalls). They might be temporally interested, but will end up ends buy a Mondeo diesel instead because it has more headroom. Ford's current awesome classic Mustang would have been a massive hit in comparison, when compared to a dull squashed mundane Mondeo front ended shaped Stang that will appeal to nobody at all in Europe sad to say.

Edited May 12, 2012 by Ford Jellymoulds

[twmalonehunter]

Dull? Like it or not, that is not a word that describes the car in the rendering.

 

 

[stpatrick90]

SSSsssss dull boring mundane old Mondeo anodyne front end styling will ensure it will be an absolute sales flop in Europe just like the dull Probe, Puma, Cougar that nobody brought in Europe. Definitely would not buy this bland rendering.

 

Only close to the classic warm friendly charm of the current Mustang will pick up where the Capri left of in Europe a massive sales success No1 best selling sports coupe.

 

200,000 UK Cortina sales good, Cortina's Grandson 20,000 Mundane dull Mondeo UK sales in 2011 not so good for Ford profits. Now every man and his dog outsells the Mondeo in the UK so why Mondeo the Mustangs front end are Ford on a death sales wish it will end up with Aston Martin type sales numbers in the UK sweet bugger all?

 

2012 Q1 Best selling UK large cars with UK sale chart position (With added 1979 Cortina sales).

No1 RWD Cortina - 49,500

No9. RWD BMW 3 Series - 9,948

No10. RWD Mercedes C-Class - 9,485

No11. FWD Vauxhall Insignia - 9,331

No18. RWD Mercedes E Class - 7,111

No 21. FWDVW Passat - 6,246

No 22. FWD Mondeo - 6,086

No 30. RWD BMW 5 Series - 5,011

 

UK Top 361 sales rankings Q1 2012.

LINK

 

Ford UK sold 20,621 all models from Ka up to the big Galaxy in April 2012, let down mainly by the lowly positioned No 22 Ford Mondeo. Now the Mustang is going to get a boring Mondeo front end, even Ford's old sports coupe the Capri rarely never left the UK best selling top 10, it is the only Sports car ever to make it into the UK top 10 best seller as far as l am aware unless you know better? Mondeo the Cortina's hapless Grandson never makes the UK top 10 this year or last year. Folk seem to be buying quality BMW & Mercedes Benz RWD cars in the large car sector these days, in the past these would never had made the on to the UK top 50 best cars list, today they both make it into the UK Top 10 Best selling cars list in 2012, l wonder what car has failed Ford?

 

Toyota kings of boring will be selling the GT 86 for £10,000 ($16,000) less than this rendering of the Mondeo Stang in the UK. Which car will sell the best when dull styling becomes king on both? Warm styling of the current Mustang would have made the choice easy to buy, it's kept Toyota and Honda's out of the muscle car market, will the GT86 be the Camry of the muscle car market as Ford drops classic styling to join them with dull styling?

 

Sad to say this dull rendering from Mustang Daily is not for me, l think it will be another sports car Probe/Puma/Cougar massive sale flop if it comes to Europe, should have sent us the current Mustang. So l would rather see Ford kept it in the USA don't bring it to Europe, and spend the money used to bring it to Europe invested elsewhere in the Ford Mo Co.

 

The cold anodyne Pontiac G8 was supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread did it ever out sell the classic styled Mustang? G8 ended up with 300 sales a month, and help to finish off the Pontiac brand for good. So how will Ford ever hope to sell an expensive an anodyne Mustang in Europe with sky high fuel prices. It will appeal on no grounds what so ever just like the G8.

 

Sorry for sounding so negative here guys, but l just can't see this Mustang Daily News Stang that looks like a cold anodyne Mondeo with a squashed roof rendering appealing to anyone on this side of the pond, Folk that are cash strapped will go for a cheaper GT86 or if they have the cash to splash a BMW M3, maybe one of those very rare Mondeo private buyers (Mondeo's are nearly all brought buy fleet/rentalls). They might be temporally interested, but will end up ends buy a Mondeo diesel instead because it has more headroom. Ford's current awesome classic Mustang would have been a massive hit in comparison, when compared to a dull squashed mundane Mondeo front ended shaped Stang that will appeal to nobody at all in Europe sad to say.

 

Compare 1980,1990, 2000 and 2011 sales for the top 10 cars sold in the UK

 

For 1980

1. Cortina (RWD)

2. Escort (RWD then FWD when the new style was released)

3. Mini (FWD)

4. Marina (RWD)

5. Allegro (FWD)

6. Fiesta (FWD)

7. Granada (RWD)

8. Capri (RWD)

9. Cavalier (RWD)

10. Chevette (RWD)

 

7/10 were RWD

 

For 1990

1. Fiesta (FWD)

2. Escort (FWD)

3. Cavalier (FWD)

4. Sierra (RWD)

5. Astra (FWD)

6. Metro (FWD)

7. 200 (FWD)

8. Nova (FWD)

9. 205 (FWD)

10. Orion (FWD)

 

1/10 were RWD

 

For 2000

1. Focus (FWD)

2. Astra (FWD)

3. Fiesta (FWD)

4. Corsa (FWD)

5. 206 (FWD)

6. Vectra (FWD)

7. Mondeo (FWD)

8. Megane (FWD)

9. Clio (FWD)

10. Golf (FWD)

 

0/10 were RWD

 

For 2011

1. Fiesta (FWD)

2. Focus (FWD)

3. Corsa (FWD)

4. Golf (FWD)

5. Astra (FWD)

6. Insignia (FWD)

7. Polo (FWD)

8. 3 Series (RWD)

9. Qashqai (FWD/AWD)

10. Mini (FWD)

 

1/10 were RWD

 

Your whole notion that RWD would increase sales is simply misguided and completely ignores reality. If you look at the sales over the past few decades Ford seems to be consistently the company that has best responded to the market seeing as they are the company that always has 2 out of the top 3 cars in sales in the UK.

[probowler]

Those "unworthy" Mustangs were some of the best-selling ever, and without which we wouldn't be having a discussion about Mustangs anymore at all because they would have been cancelled before 1980.

 

No Corvette since the first gen was replaced has looked anything like it either. Are all subsequent designs unworthy of the Corvette name as well?

 

Design evolves. This is not a bad thing.

Well the foxbody evolved the mustang into a POS. Thankfully the next gen got it sexy again by the 2000s.

[NickF1011]

Well the foxbody evolved the mustang into a POS. Thankfully the next gen got it sexy again by the 2000s.

 

My "POS" SN95 would run circles around most S197's. :P