theoldwizard Posted September 7, 2011 Author Share Posted September 7, 2011 Kuga The current Escape has 9cm more front head room and 10cm more rear head room. The current Escape has 2cm less front leg room and 21cm more rear leg room. I have sat in the back of an Escape for up to an hour. I don't think I could sit in a Kuga at all ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 I have sat in the back of an Escape for up to an hour. I don't think I could sit in a Kuga at all ! Ford published dimensions for the Vertrek Conept, Escape, and Kuga (I believe I linked to the earlier) and at least in concept the Vertrek is bigger than Kuga. But they'll never sell in Colorado.............. Seriously - this will outsell the current Escape - no question. I love it. Seriously? The Escape was Fords second best selling vehicle last month. The Vertrek will not outsell the current Escape, but that should not be a measure of it's success. (I expect it will be lower volume, higher profit) Still looks like one less Ford I'd consider owning, but I guess I'm not Metro enough for Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Seriously? The Escape was Fords second best selling vehicle last month. The Vertrek will not outsell the current Escape, but that should not be a measure of it's success. (I expect it will be lower volume, higher profit) Still looks like one less Ford I'd consider owning, but I guess I'm not Metro enough for Ford. I think it has plenty of potential to sell just as well. For everyone who is turned off by the new styling there will probably be people who prefer it to the old one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 I think it has plenty of potential to sell just as well. For everyone who is turned off by the new styling there will probably be people who prefer it to the old one. Maybe, but even with that, will there be that many who like the new look, plus the increased price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Maybe, but even with that, will there be that many who like the new look, plus the increased price? It has worked out that way for other recent Ford vehicles. See no reason why the Escape would be the exception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 It has worked out that way for other recent Ford vehicles. See no reason why the Escape would be the exception. Has it? The only thing comparable is the Focus. The Focus never sold like the Escape is now, and Ford sold fewer Focus last month than it did a year ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 (edited) Has it? The only thing comparable is the Focus. The Focus never sold like the Escape is now, and Ford sold fewer Focus last month than it did a year ago. Sales are down solely because of inventory. Days supply has decreased dramatically, meaning people are snatching them up as soon as they are available. I would say the Explorer is a better comparison: A completely reimagined version of the original, with what some would say is less versatility and capability, with higher prices, yet sales are still considerably stronger than the vehicle it replaced. Edited September 8, 2011 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 I would say the Explorer is a better comparison: A completely reimagined version of the original, with what some would say is less versatility and capability, with higher prices, yet sales are still considerably stronger than the vehicle it replaced. But the Explorer was not selling well before it was replaced, whereas the Escape was the #2 selling Ford product last month. The new Explorer could not have sold worse than the old one. Has the Explorer really met Ford's targets? It's selling well, but I don't know that I would call it an out of the park home run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 But the Explorer was not selling well before it was replaced, whereas the Escape was the #2 selling Ford product last month. The new Explorer could not have sold worse than the old one. Has the Explorer really met Ford's targets? It's selling well, but I don't know that I would call it an out of the park home run. Explorer not meeting targets? You must be joking. And it certainly could have sold worse than the old one. Look how the Flex was received. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) See where that muffler is underneath back center of rear bumper in the video? Good bye tow package unless they have some fancy hitch that goes under or around it or this is not a production exhaust. Edited September 9, 2011 by 2005Explorer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 See where that muffler is underneath back center of rear bumper in the video? Good bye tow package unless they have some fancy hitch that goes under or around it or this is not a production exhaust. The muffler is laid out similarly on the Edge. That doesn't preclude it from having an available tow package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 (edited) Came across some news on Louisville Assembly LOUISVILLE, Ky. (WHAS11)- Friday WHAS11 got our first look inside the new Ford Louisville Assembly Plant which is bringing high end manufacturing jobs to town. “We've got about 80 percent of the plant ready to go now. We're starting pre-production vehicles and will be in production at the end of the year,” said John Savona of Ford. The plant will initially make gas powered Escapes, but officials say there is room to add new products, like hybrid or electrical, models. The new body style will be officially unveiled in November at the Los Angeles Auto Show. WHAS 11 news clip video http://www.whas11.com/home/129556288.html Also came across another rendering American spec European Kuga will Start up 1 year later at Valencia October 2013. Edited September 14, 2011 by MKII Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Won't be long now, folks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transpower Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Note: There will be no hybrid available.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Note: There will be no hybrid available.... That seems like a step backwards to me unless the Hybrid is selling so poorly it is not worth building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 That seems like a step backwards to me unless the Hybrid is selling so poorly it is not worth building. Or the small EB I4 trumps it in mileage... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 That seems like a step backwards to me unless the Hybrid is selling so poorly it is not worth building. I think it makes perfect sense. It's not that the Kuga won't get a hybrid eventually (As Ford has plans to run hybrids throughout the lineup), but if Ford can only build X hybrids/year (Due to availability of parts, etc) focusing that capacity on something like the CMAX makes a ton of sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted September 17, 2011 Author Share Posted September 17, 2011 Note: There will be no hybrid available.... The hybrid requires a lot of complex "packaging" of those extra components, made more difficult because the new vehicle is an existing and smaller chassis. The old 10lbs of sh!t in a 5 lb bag !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deneway Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 I just like this alot. How long until the Kids go to college taking the family SUV with them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
differso Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I love the Escape! it looks like a true SUV not a "crossover"!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryford Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Won't be long now, folks! I can't wait! My wife and I had an 2004 Escape that we traded in on a 2008 Mercury Mariner that was totaled by an idiot that ran a red light back in late May 2011. We thought about getting a brand new Escape (Mariner, if they didn't kill off Mercury), but we loved the Vertrek concept and decided to wait. According to a couple of posters on this forum, there aren't any people like us (previous Escape/Mariner owners that would consider or like the new design), but I think there will be many previous/current Escape owners, and owners of competing brands, that will like the new and updated look. If you look up old posts on other forums, there were many that said they hated the 2008 model refresh, but that obviously didn't hurt sales. The new design might hurt rear cargo space behind the second row seats, but lucky for us, we have something else to take care of that when the need for lots of cargo space arises. From what I can tell, the new design will have plenty of space for groceries, coolers, beer cases, quick trips to the hardware store (with the rear seats folded), etc. Enough space for most people that buy compact SUVs/CUVs, which is what Ford is aiming for. It also looks like the capabilities of a small SUV (light off-roading, snow) will be similar to the current Escape. Again, I can't wait! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 The new design might hurt rear cargo space behind the second row seats, but lucky for us, we have something else to take care of that when the need for lots of cargo space arises. From what I can tell, the new design will have plenty of space for groceries, coolers, beer cases, quick trips to the hardware store (with the rear seats folded), etc. Enough space for most people that buy compact SUVs/CUVs, which is what Ford is aiming for. It also looks like the capabilities of a small SUV (light off-roading, snow) will be similar to the current Escape. Again, I can't wait! I hope it doesn't hurt cargo space. It should have at least the same amount if not more. New styling is fine, however styling should never be considered a priority over utility in these sorts of vehicles. I'm also concerned about visibility in the new design. Maybe it will be just fine, however some of the newer design small utilities are hard to see out of compared to the Escape. As far as plenty of space for groceries, coolers, beer cases, etc. I'd say a Fusion would be fine for that. Now I have been able to haul some pretty decent sized cargo in my Escape and some of it has been pretty tall. For example a 46" LCD TV sitting upright on it's stand, 2 and 3 shelf bookcases, and a few fairly large and tall boxes. The new one might handle this stuff just as good, but at least from pictures the rear opening looks to be smaller and lower. I guess we will soon see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryford Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 (edited) I hope it doesn't hurt cargo space. It should have at least the same amount if not more. New styling is fine, however styling should never be considered a priority over utility in these sorts of vehicles. I'm also concerned about visibility in the new design. Maybe it will be just fine, however some of the newer design small utilities are hard to see out of compared to the Escape. As far as plenty of space for groceries, coolers, beer cases, etc. I'd say a Fusion would be fine for that. Now I have been able to haul some pretty decent sized cargo in my Escape and some of it has been pretty tall. For example a 46" LCD TV sitting upright on it's stand, 2 and 3 shelf bookcases, and a few fairly large and tall boxes. The new one might handle this stuff just as good, but at least from pictures the rear opening looks to be smaller and lower. I guess we will soon see... Unfortunately, many people consider looks first in any kind of vehicle, but you're right, other things need to be factored in before buying something, also. Visibility is definitely a big plus in the current Escape and I hope it stays the same somewhat. I think it will. But people are still buying Chrysler 300C and Camaros, and we all know how bad the outward visibility is in those things. The Fusion has a pretty large trunk for a midsize car! I was impressed when I checked them out a while back. But, I like the slightly higher loading/unloading in the Escapes, so I wouldn't have to bend over as much trying to grab things in the back of the trunk. My back is terrible... I'm also worried about carrying the occasional tall items in the new Escapes, although the rear glass on the concepts doesn't look as steeply raked as an Edge, for instance. We'll soon see, like you said, but I can't wait. Edited September 28, 2011 by Stryford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jr.f Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 The muffler is laid out similarly on the Edge. That doesn't preclude it from having an available tow package. Saw one that has a regular size reciever hitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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